So it's the system's fault that people are able to claim such large amounts in benefits, but it's definitely not the systems fault that people are able to legally avoid large amounts of tax - that's just the way it should be and we should be grateful that these people live in the UK because they buy things here and employ plumbers and cleaners etc. Pathetic logic.
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So it's the system's fault that people are able to claim such large amounts in benefits, but it's definitely not the systems fault that people are able to legally avoid large amounts of tax - that's just the way it should be and we should be grateful that these people live in the UK because they buy things here and employ plumbers and cleaners etc. Pathetic logic.
No, the system is "at fault" there too. However it is just as hard, if not harder, to fix and to make sure that your tax take doesn't drop. However until the system is fixed (for either) then I can hardly complain if someone is fully within the confines of the law with what they are doing. I certainly wouldn't want to pay more tax than I have to, would you?
Nothing legally wrong, but people can still oppose it and campaign against it, just as they can campaign for simpler tax laws which are the absolute best way of reducing tax avoidance.
However, as Super compared benefit fraud with tax avoidance, the original comment stands, one is illegal, one is legal and sensible.
Because it would be better for us if they pay no tax? Remember, Non-dom status comes about because they have already paid their dues elsewhere on non-uk earnings. Are you really advocating that people should be taxed more than once on all their earnings? What do you think will actually happen if you try to enforce that?
Ed and David Milliband spring to mind... Although they aren't tories so tend to be ignored by the loony left tax irrationality brigade...
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So your basic point is that those on the politcal left are a bunch of violent, aggressive thugs who think that shouting loudly, smashing things up and generally being unpleasant provide a good counter to democracy? Especially when their own party instigated or caused much of what they are complaining about.
Should we take seriously any student who complains about the coalition implementing a system that actually makes people better off because they are too ******** stupid to understand it?
I haven't spoken to any student that has been complaining about the changes to how the fees are being repaid, they're protesting about the fact that the universities budget is being cut by 80%. What are we missing there?
It doesn't make everyone better off. If you earn enough to pay off your costs relatively quickly then you will be paying more, if you decide to pay your own fees rather than take out a loan you will be paying more. It is of course a better system than the NUS were offering but then the NUS is a pointless retarded movement that only has as many members as it does because of the NUS Extra card.
So they are protesting that their choices will now have direct consequences to the universities? They are protesting at being given greater power over the institutions to provide good products?
In a way I'm sad Labour didn't win because that way they would have had to clean up their own mess and not blame someone else when they did it. One thing however I'd like to see is a National Government where all of the parties can be blamed for the mistakes all of them have made, so that we actually see what all of them are and look to alternatives. The public's memory is far too short.
Well then can we really complain about work-shy benefit scroungers then? I don't see what is so hard about removing the "non-dom" UK tax status* - other countries did similar years ago.
* other that all political parties receive huge sums of money from these non-doms.
In the post I quoted. What specifically do you disagree about in my summary?
If I had any faith that Labour would have tried to fix it, I'd agree, but chances are we'd have ended up with the IMF in again if Labour had got in again...
Well, they'd promised £40 billion of cuts, just never told us where they were and conveniently swept that under the carpet following the election...
Please point out where I said it.
Here's a clue -> I didn't say it. So you're the one with pathetic logic and I can't be bothered to argue with someone who makes stuff up to suit their needs.
No doubt you'll further twist this too and make out that I've said something I haven't....
If you remove the non-dom status then they leave. They choose to pay billions in tax here because it's cheaper than doing it elsewhere.
If we make it more expensive then we get nothing.
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When you stop whining about tax avoidence, sure thing. Though I don't recall whining about it at any point recently.
Not being an expert on other countries tax systems like yourself but I find it hard to believe that they do not have non-dom or other such status that allows citizens to claim income already taxed in other countries as tax free in some way, shape or form.
He didn't say that, you made it up.
There's an obvious danger in tightening up on tax avoidance - and that's ending up taking in less in tax, not more.
Labour did this a couple of times. Cracking down on Managed Service Companies was a great example - all of a sudden employees of said MSC's made themselves redundant saving a big chunk in income tax. But hey, they cracked down on those naughty tax-avoiders didn't they....
With any complex tax environment you'll have avoidance - in fact you'll have whole industries specializing in it.
Another thing to consider is how many basic rate tax payer's input to the tax system is wiped out just by losing *one* higher rate tax payer. It's substantial.
Labour did this a couple of times. Cracking down on Managed Service Companies was a great example - all of a sudden employees of said MSC's made themselves redundant saving a big chunk in income tax. But hey, they cracked down on those naughty tax-avoiders didn't they....
With any complex tax environment you'll have avoidance - in fact you'll have whole industries specializing in it.
Another thing to consider is how many basic rate tax payer's input to the tax system is wiped out just by losing *one* higher rate tax payer. It's substantial.