New PS3 firmware 3.56

[K1LLSW1TCH]

To be honest I wouldn't even bother downloading MGS4 or GT5, let alone paying for them. Garbage.

Fair enough if that's your opinion but take a look at the meta scores for all of the games I mentioned and you will see that a vast majority of people thoroughly enjoy them even though that wasn't the actual point of my post. The point was those games contain more than enough play time to justify their price tags.

 

[mcwildcard]

I only buy online MP games that I know I'll keep for a long time, anything that's just SP I rent.
There is no need to pirate, for less than a tenner a month you can play whatever game you like via Lovefilm or Boomarang. Anyone who pirates because they can't afford full price games is talking horse ****.

 

[5punk3monk3y]

I only buy online MP games that I know I'll keep for a long time, anything that's just SP I rent.
There is no need to pirate, for less than a tenner a month you can play whatever game you like via Lovefilm or Boomarang. Anyone who pirates because they can't afford full price games is talking horse ****.

Not condoning Piracy but rental is just as bad tbh I see lots of posts about people renting the games finishing them and sending them back how is this any different to piracy the game publisher sees the profit for one title to the rental company (I know they may purchase several copies for rental) then that one title sees many different systems whilst all the user does is pay the rental company for the privilege.

Put this in piracy terms, the game is purchased copied then Joe down the pub or your isp sees profit, the game is then distributed through those methods played until completion then never played again.

Both methods leave the Publisher out of pocket so tell me if I am wrong or missing something here.

Anyone using the rental service in my eyes is just as bad.

 

[DBT85]

Anyone using the rental service in my eyes is just as bad.

I can't agree. Rental services are licensed to rent out games. They don't just buy 5 copies of a game per store and that's all the money the publisher/dev will get. If publishers didn't want games to be rented out they would be able to stop it in a heartbeat. That they still allow it means they must get some kind of revenue out of it. Why do you think popcorn and stuff is so expensive in blockbuster?

Piracy is using content created by someone for free.
Renting is a legitimate service authorised by the publishers.

If anything its used games that hurt them more because once they sell you a copy you can do what you want with it. That's why we are seeing more exclusive DLC to try and devalue any used copy. Also its why devs are pushing and people are resisting DD.

 

[ps3ud0]

Not condoning Piracy but rental is just as bad tbh I see lots of posts about people renting the games finishing them and sending them back how is this any different to piracy the game publisher sees the profit for one title to the rental company (I know they may purchase several copies for rental) then that one title sees many different systems whilst all the user does is pay the rental company for the privilege.

Put this in piracy terms, the game is purchased copied then Joe down the pub or your isp sees profit, the game is then distributed through those methods played until completion then never played again.

Both methods leave the Publisher out of pocket so tell me if I am wrong or missing something here.

Anyone using the rental service in my eyes is just as bad.

LOL if you think thats how rental licenses are arranged...

ps3ud0

 

[ONESHOTKILL]

dont rental shops pay huge prices for there games,i remeber a old video shop near me and i was talking to the owner who said he paid £75 per dvd for rental i expected the same for games

 

[iv-tecman]

dont rental shops pay huge prices for there games,i remeber a old video shop near me and i was talking to the owner who said he paid £75 per dvd for rental i expected the same for games

Was going to post the same response, I can't back this up right now without searching but i'm sure rental agreements mean they pay a much higher price per copy then a home consumer..

Its perfectly legal, there'll be some method of the publisher /developer getting royalties from games rental.

Its the EA passes of just late that buggers the whole rental market, the EA online pass is something actually I'm not sure off.

If you rent say PS3 Mass Effect 2 - how does the online pass for additional content work with a rental?

Anyhow, renting a game is not the same IMO as obtaining a copy via a torrent and playing without paying anything....

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

I think newer games are starting to give timed multiplayer passes, not sure about DLC but then I don't agree that DLC should come with rental games anyways.

 

[Calabi]

you find it funny? try telling that to Sega that basically destroyed their console due to piracy.

it isnt good full stop and is reason to get annoyed over it.

* Devs stop making games bc whats the point - they end up losing money.
* the next console comes around with even more restrictions.

it starts with the minority but soon enough everyone and their dog has the bloody thing running.

I thought they discontinued the dreamcast due to lack of sales, or something, but thanks for clearing that up definitively.

I'd like to see these devs that pack up business, what do they go into Hairdressing? I suppose when people ask them why they gave up game development they say "I got pirated out of business".

The people that were talking about you shouldnt be able to do things other than play games. But clearly Sony has marketted it such that it does lots of other things like media pcs. You can browse the web, watch Iplayer, 40d. Rent movies, buy games in the store, wander around that virtual home thing.

And according to Sonys own stats people use the console for roughly 60 percent other stuff and only 40 percent games. Whereas on the Xbox its roughly fifty, fifty. Maybe that because the games are rubbish but whatever.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

Whereas on the Xbox its roughly fifty, fifty. Maybe that because the games are rubbish but whatever.

lol?

 

[Twentyone]

And according to Sonys own stats people use the console for roughly 60 percent other stuff and only 40 percent games.

Got a link for that? Would be interesting to see.

I probably use mine 95% games and 5% streaming. Same with the Xbox.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

I don't even use mine for anything other than games and Blu-Rays. Don't really like iPlayer, 4OD is okay but the programme selection seems a bit limited and ITV player is pointless... Who wants to catch up on news and Emmerdale?

 

[antijoke]

The way EA etc are going after the second hand/rental market indicates they like this sector of gamers as much as the pirates.

 

[Bloomfield]

Got a link for that? Would be interesting to see.

I probably use mine 95% games and 5% streaming. Same with the Xbox.

I use mine for 99% streaming, 1% playing games .

 

[TriedandTested]

Whenever I read a 'pirate' justifying their reasons for downloading games, all I think is 'you simpleton'. There are a few of them on these very forums, and they've always been like it.

Really, these people are so short-sighted and oblivious to the harm they are doing to the industry as a whole (and therefore themselves as the consumer)..it just blows my mind.

Just look at the PC gaming industry: it's on its knees. Games that would usually sell for £30-odd quid are being put on Steam for £2 upwards no. They wouldn't be doing that if money was being made! It's a dying platform and mainly because of the massive levels of piracy that's infected every aspect of it. Publishers are backing off from it and putting their efforts in to console gaming more and more these days.

Game pirates = ***** simpletons.

 

[iv-tecman]

Just look at the PC gaming industry: it's on its knees. Games that would usually sell for £30-odd quid are being put on Steam for £2 upwards no. They wouldn't be doing that if money was being made! It's a dying platform and mainly because of the massive levels of piracy that's infected every aspect of it.

You'll have die hard PC gamers going for your throat with that statement.. PC gamers vehemently defend their platform and they are really dedicated to their gaming rigs and very outspoken when you mention the words "dying platform"...

Me on the other hand, I’m sure you’ve got reasons for your opinions.. Are you ready for the backlash from dedicated PC gamers… lol

Seriously, software piracy has been around for a long time and we’ve all been slightly guilty – well maybe not everyone but anyhow.. I agree with the MKV statement, a lot of users screaming or crying out for MKV PS3 support are downloading movie torrents… Its one of the main reasons they want it…

Not saying EVERYONE is doing this but I’m sure its mostly true…

*dons a flameproof jacket*

 

[antijoke]

That's the most ironic thing about this whole 'mkv' support.

Oh right so you can play your downloaded movies. Lol indeed. Pot, kettle, black.

 

[ps3ud0]

I think a better way to put it, is that when developers have been asked in the past why they are moving away from PC to console game development one of the main reasons used is game piracy. Rightly or wrongly it does have a perceived knock-on effect...

ps3ud0

 

[TheMagicPirate]

I hate the argument people give along the lines of...

...
I'd love for my PS3 to be able to run XBMC, act as a central fileserver for sharing documents and media between my home computers, or have alternative codec support (such as MKV or proper flash support). In order to do this, I'd need to "hack" my console. I don't want to do anything illegal, I don't want to pirate games, I do like the idea of expanding the capabilities of hardware I own.

In what way do my intentions make me scum?

I'd love my toaster to make beer, but thats not what it is designed nor what I bought it for.

If you want an XBMC/fileserver/codec heavy media player, BUY ONE.

Piracy only benefits other pirates and leaves the legit consumer paying the price.

Is 'Scum' a harsh word? Yes. Is it a good word to describe pirates? Thats up for debate...

 

[msmalls74]

Sonys is a sneaker lil thing aint they?

For those who are curious about the new PS3 security, it seems Sony has implemented something in 3.56 I mentioned here a few weeks ago that is the same as Microsoft uses to detect and ban 360's.

Mathieulh just posted about it on IRC.

Essentially Sony can now remotely execute code on the PS3 as soon as you connect. This can do whatever Sony wants it to do such as verifying system files or searching for homebrew. Sony can change the code and add new detection methods without any firmware updates and as the code executes remotely there is no reliable way to forge the replies.

Whilst it is possible to patch or remove this code from the firmware this will likely mean the end of playing CFW online (as PSN can just check before login that this is active) or at the very least mean it will be even easier for Sony to detect and ban users.

Judging from the fact that people can still connect using the proxy method it seems Sony hasn't activated any of this yet but the functions are there in the new firmware.

So basically,

Yes but only public keys,not private keys.

The state of the PS3's security is like this:

- All PS3's can run code signed with the old keys.
- 3.56 PS3's have no way to get homebrew on them. (unless it's already there)
- Anyone using CFW will always be able to decrypt/sign with old keys unless they update to OFW.
- All PS3's are forever vulnerable to a hardware hack that can downgrade them because metldr isn't updatable. (only a hardware revision will fix this)

Add to this that Sony has many ways to detect and ban people using CFW on PSN.

Essentially (and this is the same as I posted weeks ago):
- PSN is now pretty much secure.
- Offline CFW will be cat & mouse. (and all currently sold PS3's will forever be able to install it, though any on 3.56 or higher this will be difficult)

So they can interogate your PS3 without your knowledge and remove any software they havent signed (prob some table somewhere) and remove the items from your HDD. If i used CFW i would be removing my system from the internet as i see a big ban hammer approaching. Activision have also started banning cheaters on the PS3 from codblops permantly.