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Exactly - we pay for the BBC TV with our TV licence - it would be wrong to charge us for it again.
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Exactly - we pay for the BBC TV with our TV licence - it would be wrong to charge us for it again.
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Ahh the old Flash debate. Now I'm not sure Apple are being entirely upfront about all the reasons why Flash isn't in iOS.
They are correct in the fact that it ruins battery life/hammers a mobile CPU and thus makes for a less than Apple like users experience. You are also correct in it allows for more revenue for games. However there is nothing stopping devs releasing versions of these former Flash games for free rendering that argument somewhat moot.
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That would violate the BBC's Charter. You'd essentially being paying for access to iPlayer.
It depends on how you view it really, I don't think you would be, but I can understand why both MS won't include it in non-gold and why BBC don't want it in, it's a bit of a stalemate.
I love this thread, the similarities to MS threads a few years back just brings home how far apple have come and how low they have sunk from their once lofty place as a touchy feely friendly company.
A few years back I remember reading endlessly about how unfair it was the the EU were picking on Microsoft after all Bill had built up his company perfectly correctly and it wasn't his fault it had become a defacto monopoly. There was always Linux, Unix or Apple for people to opt for instead everyone said.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and the touchy feely nice companies of the 00's Google and Apple and finding themselves in the firing lines for the EU competition comission. Apples use of iTunes is about as anti-competetive as it is possible to be, they have clearly used there dominance of the hardware MP3 market to establish a dominante position in the online music market, yes this did require foresight, hardwork, investment and a bit of luck along the way but it is certainly true and they are now perpetuating the same situation with the app store. I respect the products and what they have achieved but I fear this will count for little when the bureaucrats come calling.
A few years back I remember reading endlessly about how unfair it was the the EU were picking on Microsoft after all Bill had built up his company perfectly correctly and it wasn't his fault it had become a defacto monopoly. There was always Linux, Unix or Apple for people to opt for instead everyone said.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and the touchy feely nice companies of the 00's Google and Apple and finding themselves in the firing lines for the EU competition comission. Apples use of iTunes is about as anti-competetive as it is possible to be, they have clearly used there dominance of the hardware MP3 market to establish a dominante position in the online music market, yes this did require foresight, hardwork, investment and a bit of luck along the way but it is certainly true and they are now perpetuating the same situation with the app store. I respect the products and what they have achieved but I fear this will count for little when the bureaucrats come calling.
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It's only a weak device, if you have no use for it.
What's the overall trend though? It's predicted that iTunes marketshare is going to drop quite a lot on it's video side in the next year (it dropped by 10% this year). I'm guessing this is occuring with the music side too.
Also it's not as if Apple are the dominant player in the market anymore (obviously we have to discount RIM and Symbian in this), it's Android. They do have a dominant position in tablets at the moment, with probably 2/3-3/4 of tablet sales but that's not going to last long either.
In other words the whole story in the OP is a non issue, competition wise. In fact this could shoot Apple in the foot if the newspapers really are annoyed at this. They can just head to the other mobile ecosystems and provide their content free on them. Sure Apple would recontemplate their stance when newspapers start promoting "free phone/tablet content for subscribers on Android/WP7/Blackberries".
That's the nature of competition.
Also what other formats are there for PC's? IBM PC's cover MS, OSX, Unix and Linux AFAIK.
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That all depends on who you are getting the statistics from. One side says one thing another something else.
Having come from literally not making a phone to one of the key players I am sure they can innovate enough to at least keep up there... If not they go the way of Windows Mobile 6.5 and I am sure Apple's shareholders don't want that!
With regards to tablets well the iPad has a lead on all other tablets. We have people making tablets that compete with the iPad that was released nearly a year ago. The 2nd Gen iPad can't be far off and everybody plays catchup again.
The odd thing is from a purely technical point there are phones and tablets that are better on their own rights than the iPad/iPhone yet everybody still seems to want to be the next iPhone/iPad killer. That's where they are going wrong if you ask me.
This 30% is a risky game Apple are playing. Only time will tell if it was a shrewd move. If the Android market unifies and the Marketplace becomes a threat to the App Store Apple may have to shift tactics. It's not like they've had to do this before or anything...
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With all due respect with no support from Apple and no centralised management or security it is weak in an enterprise environment. It's usefulness has sod all to do with it. £700 for a device to read PDFs check emails and browse a broken web is not what I would consider a strong device.
I wouldn't go that far, tablets released years ago beat the ipad in many ways, much more powerful, far greater software support, keyboard allows them to be used for work, resistive touchscreen means they are great for artists, a huge market that Apple missed out on there.
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Just because there is one security hole doesn't mean that introducing another is not going to make any difference. Besides in a well secured environment web browsers will be behind a firewall and a web filter and all machines will have AV on them. Some director wandering around with an iPad enabled with work e-mail and potentially office documents and no way to properly secure it or remotely wipe it concerns me more.
Thats not bloat though is it ?
Thats just a poor windows conversion. Run it on similar or even inferior hardware on OSX and it flies.
I find itunes perfectly intuitive. You create a playlist and then when you want to copy ever song in that playlist over, you just tick the box to sync it and it copies it all across for you. What could be easier ? If that seems too hard, just sync individual songs. Its just a tick box saying what song you want to copy ..
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I don't have to jump through hoops to get media onto my devices either - they will play back pretty much any format including OGG and FLAC and I don't have to deal with any ridiculous DRM put in place despite having paid for the music. I can plug it into any PC with music on it and not need a proprietary application that is specifically associated with my device to sync it. All my contacts and application information is held online so if I lose my device then all I need to do is log into a new one and it will all sync up again.
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This isnt a practical obligation. Thats a moral one. And the DRM argument is old. Most of the new itunes music is now DRM free, and it was apple who fought with the publishers to get it. They imposed it, not apple.
Just look at the fight apple is having now to get reasonably priced content on the apple TV. The tv companies are fighting tooth and nail to keep their high prices when apple are trying to get everybody to sign up to 99c TV show rentals. But only 2 companies signed up and one is talking about backing out.
ITs like the movie industry all over again - saying that VHS was going to kill cinema.
and dont even get me started on the digital publishers trying to charge the same for ebooks as paperbacks despite the obvious savings ..
Half of the stuff people label as their fault, isn't their fault at all.
That all depends on who you are getting the statistics from. One side says one thing another something else.
Having come from literally not making a phone to one of the key players I am sure they can innovate enough to at least keep up there... If not they go the way of Windows Mobile 6.5 and I am sure Apple's shareholders don't want that!
With regards to tablets well the iPad has a lead on all other tablets. We have people making tablets that compete with the iPad that was released nearly a year ago. The 2nd Gen iPad can't be far off and everybody plays catchup again.
The odd thing is from a purely technical point there are phones and tablets that are better on their own rights than the iPad/iPhone yet everybody still seems to want to be the next iPhone/iPad killer. That's where they are going wrong if you ask me.
This 30% is a risky game Apple are playing. Only time will tell if it was a shrewd move. If the Android market unifies and the Marketplace becomes a threat to the App Store Apple may have to shift tactics. It's not like they've had to do this before or anything...
Erm... Pretty much every ranking system...
In no way will Apple go the way of WinMo, at least in the next few years (everything waxes and waines), but I can't see them getting much above the marketshare they have at the moment. I also think their market share will have a small chunk taken out of it by the ever increasing number of smarphones out there. At the moment it still has the "it's better than the rest" thing about it with a lot of people, I think that is starting to decline and with the the mass desireability (by that I mean it won't be the phone "everyone" aspires to, but just another phone).
I think the iPhone killer phrase was retired about a year ago, the last phone review I remember reading it on was the HD2 which is almost 2 years old. It's very much now a case of you choose the smartphone you like for the vast majority, with a small number going Android because they can't afford an iPhone. Tech is always like that though, same with the iPad, finally we have a lot of tablets on the mass market that are supassing iPads, Apple release a new one and suppass the competition, who release one and suppass Apple. It's the tech game!
Release something worse than already out for a few months and you're doing something worng. That's not entirely true, I own a HTC Desire and came from an iPhone3GS and could have quite easily justified an iPhone4, even the upfront cost of one SIM free.
I did fancy trying something else, I bought the Desire SIM free and could have quite easily sold it on and bought an iPhone4 when they were released not long after the Desire was.
However, there's loads of features on the HTC Desire that I prefer over the iPhone which is why I've kept with it, certainly not to be different.
Of course, there's things I miss or have missed about the iPhone platform but, it's not so one sided
That alongside Zune and it's Pass may squeeze iTunes a little too.
Unlimited music for less than £8 a month...
Hopefully MS will deploy a pass for video as well.
Even better soon. Asus are releasing an i5 tablet with a Wacom pen input, sorry, "stylus" (according to the BBC flagship tech program, click...
)Not really fair though, the performance of iTunes is shocking in general compared to OSX. Almost like Apple couldn't be bothered to make it properly for windows so you had to buy OSX...
It's also about keeping it fenced, which most 'techie' guys hate, forums and blog posts go on and on and on about all day long and say how Android is so open etc, but as already mentioned Apple is looking to sell to everyone!
Not just techies but young people, middle-aged people, everyone.
So the system in place HAS to be fixed or all hell would break lose and people would complain to Apple and not the App/Developer because they simply don't understand.
Wit the subscription issue and in app purchase, I don't see the fuss? They agreed to do an app for the iPhone because they know it'll help their business but want a free ride on Apple's expense. Apple made it clear that its ring fenced and Music/Movies/Apps are all dealt through iTunes.
I wish all you 'techies' or 'tech arena' folk would STFU and get on with your open love for your open phone which doesn't sell well to the general public because they simple don't understand what to do with manually doing everything like you.
The 18/40 'general public' will either have an iPhone or Blackberry, it seems only anti-apple-geeky-plebs have Androids imo.
What? WHAT!!! COME AT ME BRO!
Not just techies but young people, middle-aged people, everyone.
So the system in place HAS to be fixed or all hell would break lose and people would complain to Apple and not the App/Developer because they simply don't understand.
Wit the subscription issue and in app purchase, I don't see the fuss? They agreed to do an app for the iPhone because they know it'll help their business but want a free ride on Apple's expense. Apple made it clear that its ring fenced and Music/Movies/Apps are all dealt through iTunes.
I wish all you 'techies' or 'tech arena' folk would STFU and get on with your open love for your open phone which doesn't sell well to the general public because they simple don't understand what to do with manually doing everything like you.
The 18/40 'general public' will either have an iPhone or Blackberry, it seems only anti-apple-geeky-plebs have Androids imo.
What? WHAT!!! COME AT ME BRO!