People who don't move over when you indicate to move out on a Motorway

sigma · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:45

InvaderGIR said:
True...but I guessed it right it seems.

I guess 'ERD Trained' is more apt really, but the course (at another guess) is 'ERDT' so it's just said 'ERDT Trained'.

Emergency Response Driver Tuition?

I sort of guess it right (before you did, ner ner) but wasn't sure so didn't post.

Dabbles said:
Similarly, I'm guessing you're one of those guys who doesn't move out of the overtaking lane when you've finished overtaking, even if someone is behind you wanting to go faster?

How did you assume that from my previous posts? Given the fact that I like to show courtesy to people driving slower than me, what makes you think I don't act the same way to people going faster?

Housey · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:46

Just get over if the inside lane is clear, the end.

Take note of cars entering via the slip road, move out if able, the end.

EVERYONE move over for ME!!!!

Foghorn Leghorn · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:46

Richie said:
The reason I mention I am on CC in my posts is to highlight the fact that, even with plenty of time to react, the merging driver does NOTHING to alter their road position but practically demands that the driver that actually has right of way change their position. That's like someone demanding you stop whilst on a roundabout to let them come in from an entrance to the same roundabout...

Another reason why I as the driver already on the motorway would have moved to lane 2 or adjusted my speed before the situation you describe has arisen. I don't need to worry about the fact that the other driver is an ass or not, and my blood pressure remains low as I wend my merry way to work, or wherever.

Dabbles · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:46

sigma said:
How did you assume that from my previous posts?

Just the way you phrased the sentence I quoted.

Richie · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:47

[TW]Fox;18492778 said:
If the road is otherwise completely clear there isnt much harm in it but I agree, I only move out if there is traffic coming down the sliproad.

In future though I am going to stay on the inside and block them, WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE expecting me to move!

So if you are driving along happily at, say 60MPH, and someone comes down a sliproad, ends up beside you and makes no attempt to accelerate or brake to enter the gap in front/behind you and you are unable to move into lane 2, you would quite happily brake/accelerate to negate THEIR selfishness and NOT be even slightly ****ed about it ?

wooly-back-jack · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:49

look guys just come clean, it's obvious the ones moaning are the very drivers that you see ignoring the gap behind the lorry as they join a motorway and instead put their foot down and squeeze into his breaking distance, slam on because they sped into a small gap, almost cause an accident and then do the same from lane 1 to 2 and 2 to 3. Bet you do the same leaving the motorway too. Ignore the gap where you can pull in in good time causing no disruption. NO! MUST..CUT.. INFRONT OF LORRY!.. 100YD MARKER WILL DO!! CHEVRONS WILL DO!! followed by slam on brakes and cause the traffic you just cut up to either slam on or just pull into the second lane and drive past you anyway.

Skilid · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:50

Richie said:
So if you are driving along happily at, say 60MPH, and someone comes down a sliproad, ends up beside you and makes no attempt to accelerate or brake to enter the gap in front/behind you and you are unable to move into lane 2, you would quite happily brake/accelerate to negate THEIR selfishness and NOT be even slightly ****ed about it ?

Not necessarily, depends how nice you are feeling. By the book it is YOUR right of way.

sigma · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:50

Dabbles said:
Just the way you phrased the sentence I quoted.

Perhaps it would be better to read my opinions first.

I'm all for driving smooth, free flowing and with minimum stress, I have no ego whilst driving.

Edit - just to add, the comment you quoted was mainly about people in the middle lane; I should have worded it better.

NickXX · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:51

Freefaller said:
Indeed... and those that don't understand merge in turn....

They're great - they just leave me a nice empty lane right to the front of the queue.

Richie · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:52

Foghorn Leghorn said:
Another reason why I as the driver already on the motorway would have moved to lane 2 or adjusted my speed before the situation you describe has arisen. I don't need to worry about the fact that the other driver is an ass or not, and my blood pressure remains low as I wend my merry way to work, or wherever.

My blood pressure remains low. I got passed caring about this a long time ago

BTW, the issue only arises because I am unable to move into lane 2 due to traffic. Also, the idiocy of the merging driver is compounded by the fact that, although they are happy to drive beside me and not go over 55MPH on the sliproad, they soon put the boot down and get to 70+MPH as soon as their tyre hits the main carriageway.... Any reason they couldn't do that 10 seconds earlier? :confused:

Matt82 · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:52

i hate all drivers on the road

[TW]Fox · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:53

Richie said:
So if you are driving along happily at, say 60MPH, and someone comes down a sliproad, ends up beside you and makes no attempt to accelerate or brake to enter the gap in front/behind you and you are unable to move into lane 2, you would quite happily brake/accelerate to negate THEIR selfishness and NOT be even slightly ****ed about it ?

Nope, I would maintain my speed and course. You've missed my point - if you can easily move over without changing your speed, do so. If you can't, do not.

It is not up to you to make room by braking, but if you can facilate smooth operation of the Motorway by simply moving lanes, you'd have to be a proper **** not to do so.

Richie · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:54

Cripple said:
Not necessarily, depends how nice you are feeling. By the book it is YOUR right of way.

I know that

, it was aimed at Fox due to his post it quoted

Richie · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:56

[TW]Fox;18492903 said:
Nope, I would maintain my speed and course. You've missed my point - if you can easily move over without changing your speed, do so. If you can't, do not.

It is not up to you to make room by braking, but if you can facilate smooth operation of the Motorway by simply moving lanes, you'd have to be a proper **** not to do so.

Ah, on the same page then

Clarkey · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:56

[TW]Fox;18492507 said:
Thats right, yes.

Because if you are driving along at the speed limit you will from time to time come across cars ahead of you which are travelling slower than you. This isnt a 'crap situation', this is simply what happens on the Motorway. When you realise you are approaching another car, you change lanes to pass them. The first step towards doing this is indicating your intention to change lanes. Thats what indicators are for.

No, you would first use your mirrors to check for other cars. If you can see a car approaching that will be next to you imminently then it would be rude and arrogant to just stick on your indicatgor and assume they are going to move so you can barge your way into their space. It seems you missed out on the very basics of Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre though and just skip straight to indicate and assume.

Are you one of these people who moves into the middle lane and just sits there because there is a car half a mile away on the inside lane? I suspect you probably are, perhaps this is what you call moving out 'when you have the chance'. You then sit there and refuse to change lane to aid anyone else. You are the epitome of a selfish driver, people like yourself are what is wrong with motorway driving

No, you are completely wrong, I keep to the left like you should. Seems the difference is that I can use my mirrors and this anticipation that you are going on about and use it to judge when I can and can't move out.

Because it just makes everything smoother doesnt it?

No, what would be smooth is if you chose to pull out when there was actually a gap to move into.

If I am travelling along in the middle lane and am approaching a car on the inside who begins to indicate, if its clear to do so I will will indicate and move into the outside lane. Why WOULDNT you do this? You don't need to change speed, you dont need to brake, you simply swap lanes. It's effortless and aids traffic flow. The car on the inside lane isnt 'arrogant' and doesnt 'think he can push people along' and neither is it any particular hardship for me to move into the outside lane to allow him to move out.

Well no that's not quite it is it. I'd have to check my mirrors and blind spot before I could safely move out, and then do the same to move back to where I was originally. I'm not the one who wants to move lane yet I end up doing twice as much as the impatient guy who does want to change lane yet can't just move into an empty space.

The selfish ones are people like you, who seem to think 'WHY SHOULD I' when it's such an effortlessly easy and courteous thing to do!

No, you're so far wrong it's untrue.

Foghorn Leghorn · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:59

Richie said:
My blood pressure remains low. I got passed caring about this a long time ago

BTW, the issue only arises because I am unable to move into lane 2 due to traffic. Also, the idiocy of the merging driver is compounded by the fact that, although they are happy to drive beside me and not go over 55MPH on the sliproad, they soon put the boot down and get to 70+MPH as soon as their tyre hits the main carriageway.... Any reason they couldn't do that 10 seconds earlier?

If traffic's that heavy then I'll adjust my speed slightly to leave a suitable gap in front of me, if they can't slot into that then they'll be using the hard shoulder.

[TW]Fox · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:59

Clarkey said:
No, you would first use your mirrors to check for other cars. If you can see a car approaching that will be next to you imminently then it would be rude and arrogant to just stick on your indicatgor and assume they are going to move so you can barge your way into their space. It seems you missed out on the very basics of Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre though and just skip straight to indicate and assume.

It seems you don't know what an indicator is for. I suggest you look up 'indicate' in the dictionary. You are indicating your intention. You dont indicate and then immediatly move! It's there to show what you INTEND to do, not what you are currently doing. You are demonstrating you have a desire to move to the next lane. So, you stick the indicator on. This doesnt mean you stick it on and immediatly move over.

It is not rude and arrogant to use an indicator to indicate that you wish to change lanes!

Seems the difference is that I can use my mirrors and this anticipation that you are going on about and use it to judge when I can and can't move out.No, what would be smooth is if you chose to pull out when there was actually a gap to move into.Well no that's not quite it is it. I'd have to check my mirrors and blind spot before I could safely move out, and then do the same to move back to where I was originally. I'm not the one who wants to move lane yet I end up doing twice as much as the impatient guy who does want to change lane yet can't just move into an empty space.

No, you're so far wrong it's untrue.

I'm just going to sit here and laugh at your opinion as I can honestly think of no better response to it. On a busy Motorway unless you indicate your intention to move out you simply will never find a gap large enough to move safely into without other people changing lanes to accomodate you.

The smoothest solution for all is one where NOBODY needs to brake. Braking bunches traffic up. The person in Lane 2 moving into Lane 3 so somebody can move from Lane 1 into Lane 2 is better for everyone than the person in Lane 2 saying 'I AM CLARKEY, YOU ARE ARROGANT, I WONT MOVE HAHAHA' and the person in Lane 1 then braking and waiting for a gap to lunge out into.

The irony of you calling everyone else arrogant whilst refusing to make simple and easy maneovuers to faciliate smooth traffic flow is overwhelming.

If somebody on my inside indicates an intention to change lanes I will ALWAYS move lanes to accomodate them if its clear to do so. I can't think of any reason other than 'You are a selfish ****' why you WOULDNT do that?!

Draeger · 17 Feb 2011 at 22:59

sigma said:
Congratulations on the promotion.

Thank you.

wooly-back-jack · 17 Feb 2011 at 23:00

also you must also take into consideration the numpty who is in the 2nd lane already and puts his foot down when he spots the guy in the 1st lane is about to be courteous and move over for merging traffic. "NO I WON'T LET YOU BE COURTEOUS, YOU WILL DISRUPT MY FACEBOOK STATUS UPDATE IF I CHANGE LANES!"

It's not always the guy in the first lane, he is more aware of traffic yes, meaning he is aware of the above idiot going from 60 to 80 when he is about to pull over for you.

cheets64 · 17 Feb 2011 at 23:02

Richie said:
Question on this (playing Devil's Advocate as well to be honest):

Lets say you are in lane 1 travelling 50MPH
Lane 2 is travelling at 60MPH
Lane 3 is travelling at 70MPH

A sliproad is approaching. You move into lane 2 and, most probably, maintain your speed of 50MPH thereby slowing down that lane and causing congestion to build up.

no one enters from the sliproad.

Does this not cause unnecessary congestion that many people on here are arguing by NOT doing as you say you do at every junction on a M-Way ?

I would slow down or judge the cars speed coming on, which is easy to do due to the run off slip roads have.

So say I am coming up to a junction, have a car at that the side of me (in land 2) and a car coming on, the car is not slowing down and is going to pull on and be very close to me, I should move over, 2nd lane should not be blocked and neither should the 3rd. In theory everybody should be in the first lane, if nobody enters I just pull over all over a few hundred meters.

If I pull into the 2nd lane the car behind me should be seeing this and move over people need to read the road INFRONT, thats the only rule of driving on a motorway, read it see whats going on, react, its totally different to driving on a road, , slip roads dont have give way lines hence the need for people to understand slip roads and people joining from speeds of 50-70 mph

Like when people pull into the 2nd lane and just sit their not gaining on the 1st lane, classic case of middle lane hogger, forcing everyone to overtake rather than undertake. I have been known to undertake such idiots.