THE NEW KING - GTX 590 IS HERE!

wolvers · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:15

Shouldn't even be possible to do it. Bad hardware design IMO if it needs driver control to be correct to stop it overvolting enough to cause a component failure.

Stanners · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:15

AndyOcUK said:
Stock voltage is 0.975v

upping to 1.2V can be a massive leap where fine micro electronics are concerned.

The way people are raving on here, you'd think every single card is going to burn a house down the second it is plugged in

If Nvidia recommend no more than 1.1V, what do people think is going to happen when 1.2 V is put through it?

Besides, its already been fixed an hour after launch with a driver

How dare you question the UK's greatest electronic engineering minds

Final8y · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:20

AndyOcUK said:
Stock voltage is 0.975v

upping to 1.2V can be a massive leap where fine micro electronics are concerned.

The way people are raving on here, you'd think every single card is going to burn a house down the second it is plugged in

If Nvidia recommend no more than 1.1V, what do people think is going to happen when 1.2 V is put through it?

Besides, its already been fixed an hour after launch with a driver

It's not about the cooling SKYMTL, the PWM is too weak, just as it is on the GTX 570. Two GTX 590 died the same way here, one in our test lab and one in a demo system of a reseller, both not overclocked or overvolted; Nvidia says some faulty components not found on retail parts caused it, but both us and TPU had retail package GTX 590's.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4791289&postcount=37

And TechPowerUp review was using the 267.71 driver.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_590/5.html

TheRealDeal · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:25

Stanners said:
How dare you question the UK's greatest electronic engineering minds

Would you buy one? Have you ever heard of so many cards melting on release day? I would be to paranoid to put one of these in my system until nv states the problem is definately fixed. A little like i hated my machine when it had a hiper type r in it. That had a bad rep but it lasted 4 years in my machine until i upgraded. It still had me wondering whether or not it was gonna take my rig out lol.

AndyOcUK · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:30

Stanners said:
How dare you question the UK's greatest electronic engineering minds

lol

Stanners · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:37

If i was after one it would not put myself off, as i have a bit of a understanding of electricity. It amazes me that some people think it is fine to go over the max rated voltage, i.e. pushing 1.2volts through as is that not roughly 10% over the max, what do people expect. Now if the drivers did this themselves than that is a joke, but if it is down to user error going over the max rated voltage then who is to blame. I do think Nvidia should have put in better over voltage protection but i do not know what is designed in the circuit and what is not.

Edit: just noticed the post that they did not overvolt the cores, Then that is eother deffective design or shoddy parts as mentioned.

TheRealDeal · 24 Mar 2011 at 22:48

I have seen my card 6870 being pushed to 1.5v on air cooling with the safe limit being 1.3 without melting, theres just no excuse for these cards failing like this. I am pretty sure most cards would go past there recommended volts and not fail in seconds. If anything the low clocks nv put on these cards suggest they had trouble getting the clocks up as they would not have brought out a slower card otherwise. So to up the volts and try for higher clocks is playing russian roulette.

cammy5477 · 24 Mar 2011 at 23:10

TheRealDeal said:
I have seen my card 6870 being pushed to 1.5v on air cooling with the safe limit being 1.3 without melting, theres just no excuse for these cards failing like this. I am pretty sure most cards would go past there recommended volts and not fail in seconds. If anything the low clocks nv put on these cards suggest they had trouble getting the clocks up as they would not have brought out a slower card otherwise. So to up the volts and try for higher clocks is playing russian roulette.

i agree but the 590 is a relatively small pcb to house 2 powerfull chips.....hats off to nvidia for trying this but i think it may be to much power in to little space...can you imagine how much stuff theyve had to cram in there to make this work? the 6990 looks a lot more spread out and ati seem to have dual card tech in there pocket....if only they would put a decent fan on and hire a new driver team....

TheRealDeal · 24 Mar 2011 at 23:14

cammy5477 said:
i agree but the 590 is a relatively small pcb to house 2 powerfull chips.....hats off to nvidia for trying this but i think it may be to much power in to little space...can you imagine how much stuff theyve had to cram in there to make this work? the 6990 looks a lot more spread out and ati seem to have dual card tech in there pocket....if only they would put a decent fan on and hire a new driver team....

I agree nv have done a great job on the cooling of this card. I am not sure why amd did not go down the nv route as it really would have meant the 6990 had nv beat in pretty much everyway.

cammy5477 · 24 Mar 2011 at 23:21

TheRealDeal said:
I agree nv have done a great job on the cooling of this card. I am not sure why amd did not go down the nv route as it really would have meant the 6990 had nv beat in pretty much everyway.

as we speak they will be producing 3rd party coolers and blocks for 6990 so its not really an issue...it just would have been nice to get something half decent instead of what looks like a half arsed effort from ati....i watch closely to see what people are saying before jumping in with 60% of a grand for one of these but i do think the 590 has masses of potential...we shall see how it performs under water

TheRealDeal · 24 Mar 2011 at 23:33

cammy5477 said:
as we speak they will be producing 3rd party coolers and blocks for 6990 so its not really an issue...it just would have been nice to get something half decent instead of what looks like a half arsed effort from ati....i watch closely to see what people are saying before jumping in with 60% of a grand for one of these but i do think the 590 has masses of potential...we shall see how it performs under water

Water is always a bonus but the problem with these cards is not heat. I think there may be some really good ones but i think from looking at the reviews the majority won't be. It is always worth waiting until the dust settles as you will know a lot more.

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:16

cammy5477 said:
as we speak they will be producing 3rd party coolers and blocks for 6990 so its not really an issue...it just would have been nice to get something half decent instead of what looks like a half arsed effort from ati....i watch closely to see what people are saying before jumping in with 60% of a grand for one of these but i do think the 590 has masses of potential...we shall see how it performs under water

Pop goes the weasel...

"In the web release driver of GeForce GTX 590, we have added some important enhancements to our overcurrent protection for overclocking. We recommend anyone doing overclocking or running stress apps to always use the latest web driver to get the fullest protection for your hardware. Please note that overcurrent protection does not eliminate the risks of overclocking, and hardware damage is possible, particularly when overvoltaging. We recommend anyone using the GTX 590 board with the reference aircooler stick with the default voltage while overclocking, and avoid working around overcurrent protection mechanisms for stress applications. This will help maintain GTX 590's great combination of acoustics, performance, and reliability. NVIDIA has worked with several watercooling companies to develop waterblocks for GTX 590, and these solutions will help provide additional margin for overclocking, but even in this case we recommend enthusiasts stay within 12.5-25mV of the default voltage in order to minimize risk."

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2947

Edit:

Also, the above statement suggests this 'Blowing-up' issue isn't (and maybe cannot be) properly fixed with a driver update, which is more serious than I thought.

Jacky60 · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:26

juno_first said:
Hmm, maybe 2x 480 could be quicker than a 590 and a lot cheaper too.

Id be tempted towards the 6990 if it had PhysX, oh does Crysis2 use PhysX?

Physx-wtf? Crysis 2 is crap and will fly on a 6970/570.

Physx is only used in very few games and is crap-it's part of Nvidia's marketing speak cos they have nothing in their trousers.

All hail the Queen-590!

JediFragger · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:35

Jacky60, banned from gfx before he hits 50 posts. Any takers?

Yurihyuga · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:35

well in all fairness bar the voltage screw up by Nvidia the clocks can be pushed to around 670 without touching the volts and a small boost should be able to put you to around 700-720 which would beat the 6990 unlocked.

Then to top it off the 590 is surprisingly quiet + cooler. So really depends on if your willing to shell out for the better dual card tech or to go with the poorly built 6990.

Personally I am not touching either can't justify spending that much money.

WingZero30 · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:36

Doesn't seem to be the new king now judging by the reviews on different websites. It seems both 590 and 6990 are on par with each other with each card taking the lead in certain games.

Hmm balanced performance. It also seems 590 gives the performance of 570 sli.

Final8y · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:42

Yurihyuga said:
well in all fairness bar the voltage screw up by Nvidia the clocks can be pushed to around 670 without touching the volts and a small boost should be able to put you to around 700-720 which would beat the 6990 unlocked.

Then to top it off the 590 is surprisingly quiet + cooler. So really depends on if your willing to shell out for the better dual card tech or to go with the poorly built 6990.

Personally I am not touching either can't justify spending that much money.

The only thing poorly built on the 6990 is the cooler so lets not get carried away.

WingZero30 · 25 Mar 2011 at 00:45

Final8y said:
The only thing poorly built on the 6990 is the cooler so lets not get carried away.

I agree.

6990 is looking like a sexy card now

Edit: Has RavenXXX2 made any comment since 590 came out lol?

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 01:01

^^^
He's been suspended...

An Exception · 25 Mar 2011 at 01:04

Yurihyuga said:
well in all fairness bar the voltage screw up by Nvidia the clocks can be pushed to around 670 without touching the volts and a small boost should be able to put you to around 700-720 which would beat the 6990 unlocked.

Cards are dying at stock as well, so IMO even modest overclocks could greatly increase the risk of premature BANG even without touching the voltage.

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