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***THE NEW KING - GTX 590 IS HERE!***
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Caporegime
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LOLOL, looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen 
Soldato
Personally I expected a recall by now from seeing how Intel responded with SB, especially because a card getting that hot and popping presents a fire hazard surely???
I was optimistic about these dual 512 cuda core cards from Nvidia, but the weak clock speeds and instant explosions is seriously horrible.
As for people thinking that 1.2v is too much for GFX cards, erm no, its not. The last couple of generations from both Nvidia and ATI have supported up to 1.15 - 1.2v overvolting within the bios. Even if the max recommended voltage is 1.15v, there is no way that just going 0.05v over that limit would cause such an instant explosion unless theres a fault with the card, otherwise every single GFX card and CPU I've ever owned should have died as soon as I tried overclocking them.
As for people thinking that 1.2v is too much for GFX cards, erm no, its not. The last couple of generations from both Nvidia and ATI have supported up to 1.15 - 1.2v overvolting within the bios. Even if the max recommended voltage is 1.15v, there is no way that just going 0.05v over that limit would cause such an instant explosion unless theres a fault with the card, otherwise every single GFX card and CPU I've ever owned should have died as soon as I tried overclocking them.
Soldato
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Amd/ati support 1.3v these days. Thats what my 6870 allows me to do in sapphire trixx anyhow.
Looks like Nvidia rushed these out last minute to get one over the 6990. Instead of redesigning the card properly and taking their time, looking at the comments about the GTX 590 they wasted time and money.
Wahey, exciting quote from a review: Card blew up during testing 
Up til then I was merely under the impression that they were faster than the 6990 in some things but nothing amazing while at the same time being quieter. Which about sums up why they'd be released at 6990 prices being second out and all.
Someone been skimping on the cooling to make it quieter then
Up til then I was merely under the impression that they were faster than the 6990 in some things but nothing amazing while at the same time being quieter. Which about sums up why they'd be released at 6990 prices being second out and all.
Someone been skimping on the cooling to make it quieter then
Soldato
was going to sell my 6970 towards one of these , might as well just buy another 6970 and crossfire instead
Wahey, exciting quote from a review: Card blew up during testing
Up til then I was merely under the impression that they were faster than the 6990 in some things but nothing amazing while at the same time being quieter. Which about sums up why they'd be released at 6990 prices being second out and all.
Someone been skimping on the cooling to make it quieter then
Actually that makes me think that Nvidia reduced the fan speed from wanting to appeal to people that always complained about their fan noise in the past and instead the cards just blow up now
Honestly though, the cooling on these cards looks rubbish for GTX 580 GPUs - What you basically have is two small ATI 5770 heatsinks slapped on top of a pair of GTX 580s with a single fan in the middle? The card is smaller than a 6990 which would lead me to assume that the two heatsinks on the GTX 590 are likely to be smaller with a lower RPM fan?
Caporegime
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Don't forget guys that the worst noise for the 6990 comes in Furmark which 99% of review sites tested with powertune unlimited and the OC bios(rightly I might add), however most also tested the 590gtx in furmark with the furmark limit in place. Anandtech suggest 70dba in furmark but significantly lower in actual gaming, the 590gtx comes in as quieter everywhere, but in games its not monumentally quieter, its just the daft Furmark comparisons that make them seem miles apart.
Make no mistake, AMD screwed the pooch on the fan, bigger proper fan would mean AMD would have had the unquestionable king of cards, lower power(again ignore furmark unless the 590gtx is tested with the furmark limit turned off(not sure Nvidia have even made it possible, I know it was ont he 580/570/etc), faster, cheaper, with a proper fan it would have been quieter and cooler on top of that, and with better xfire scaling it would have been such an obvious win for AMD(still is, just narrower).
Also worth mentioning so far I've seen little to suggest the cores are dying on the 590gtx's, it seems to be the power circuitry, nothing more than that, but thats still a huge issue. If some are dying at stock, then Nvidia have a massive massive problem coming and bad press with RMA numbers potentially being high in the future. I'd expect the 6990 to have higher RMA rates than any other AMD card but, dying in reviews in a few days of testing, thats really not good. If the mosfets are blowing up very quickly, and thats the real issue, with a fairly small bump in voltage, you wonder how hot they are running at normal settings and how long they'll last.
Make no mistake, AMD screwed the pooch on the fan, bigger proper fan would mean AMD would have had the unquestionable king of cards, lower power(again ignore furmark unless the 590gtx is tested with the furmark limit turned off(not sure Nvidia have even made it possible, I know it was ont he 580/570/etc), faster, cheaper, with a proper fan it would have been quieter and cooler on top of that, and with better xfire scaling it would have been such an obvious win for AMD(still is, just narrower).
Also worth mentioning so far I've seen little to suggest the cores are dying on the 590gtx's, it seems to be the power circuitry, nothing more than that, but thats still a huge issue. If some are dying at stock, then Nvidia have a massive massive problem coming and bad press with RMA numbers potentially being high in the future. I'd expect the 6990 to have higher RMA rates than any other AMD card but, dying in reviews in a few days of testing, thats really not good. If the mosfets are blowing up very quickly, and thats the real issue, with a fairly small bump in voltage, you wonder how hot they are running at normal settings and how long they'll last.
I tend to go by techpowerup, they say : "The 3D load noise levels are tested with a stressful game, not Furmark."
Their tests say 6990 is the loudest card in recent times at 53db
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/Radeon_HD_6990/21.html
They mention the following:
IMPORTANT: The supplied Geforce Drivers 267.52 for Geforce GTX 590 will not stop the card from overheating when overclocking. Please use newer versions from the Nvidia website and stay away from 267.52. Otherwise this may happen ...
Nvidia were right all along, you only get realistic smoke effects with an Nvidia card
Soldato
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Not really much louder then.
53db is like having a card that is 75% quieter than a card that is >70db like what Anandtech reported.
Not really much louder then.
53db is like having a card that is 75% quieter than a card that is >70db like what Anandtech reported.
Soldato
Nvidia were right all along, you only get realistic smoke effects with an Nvidia card
Some of the comments on that video by fans are really funny...
Not at all, dbA is an exponential scale. Each 10dbA is a perceived doubling of volume. The 590 is 48dbA, might not sound like a lot but that makes the 6990 about 60% louder than 590.
You can't compare dbA levels between sites because of course it depends how they test.
Man of Honour
a lot of review sites measure noise levels in an open bench setup too. You have to remember it will be even quieter when tucked away nicely in a case, possibly even under a desk.