March in London on the 26th?

Superewza said:
And RDM, you do. Want to know how i know? I remember it. Sounds weird, yes, i know, but true ;)
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You don't. Respiration is part of your autonomic nervous system. While you can learn to have limited control over your breathing, it is not a learned response.

You may remember it, however your memory is faulty as whatever it was that you remember was not learning to breathe.
 
Superewza said:
And RDM, you do. Want to know how i know? I remember it. Sounds weird, yes, i know, but true ;)
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No, you neither remember being taught to breathe, nor were you taught to breathe. I was there at my daughters birth and there were no breathing lessons, it is pretty much instinctive. If it wasn't then lots of babies would die.
 
Superewza said:
Not on our own, but at some point those with all the money/power will grow too confident and push people too far. That's what my dad was saying to me on the train down yesterday, he said when he first became a Socialist (commenting on a book i was reading that he bought when he was my age) he thought that because he understood it and that we needed a revolution that it would happen pretty quickly, all you needed to do was tell people. Which, in a way, takes a load off our shoulders, but at the same time takes away some of the hope that the individual can make a real difference. I will play my part if i ever get the chance, but can i make it happen? No.

That's why i think capitalism can never be 'nice'. For every person who succeeds somebody else must fail. Take our country as one that 'succeeded' and all the 'third world' countries riddled with poverty as those that failed.
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There you go again, capitalism. You have a nice Fuji camera, either an AMD or Intel Processor, Nvidia or ATI graphics card at a guess.

I bet you have a mobile phone and a bank account too and shop in the big high street chains.

You fund the big corporations you seem to despise.
 
RDM said:
No, you neither remember being taught to breathe, nor were you taught to breathe. I was there at my daughters birth and there were no breathing lessons, it is pretty much instinctive. If it wasn't then lots of babies would die.
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I didn't say you needed to be taught it, i said you learned it. I have a very, very faint memory of being born - just the sensation of going from being warm and comfortable to being cold and wanting to go back, like getting out of bed in the morning. Then i remember feeling a bit weird, and starting to breathe, thinking (not in words, but in emotions and actions) "urgh, i hope i'm not going to have to do this forever" but i soon got the hang of it. I may have made this up, but it definitely feels like a proper memory :)
 
Tefal said:
No it suggests if you weren't there so we cannot know what you think and so cannot act upon it or even begin to assume what you think, all we have are the 200 thousand who did.

they are a tiny percentage and as such we cannot act on that.


Much like if all the people who didn't vote would have voted labour they probably would have won but you can't give them a few extra seats over assumptions and hypotheticals.
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And that was my point although you're possibly trying to argue the other side - if people didn't show up to the March then we can't say what they thought so saying it's only 1/120th of the population or whatever doesn't really prove anything much.

I'm not convinced that attention should not be paid to what is a fairly large protest. Yes, there have been bigger, and yes, we don't know what those who didn't go on the March think about it but it's demonstrably quite a large number of people to get together for a single cause. That's not to say they should have their complaints actioned but looking at their issues might be worthwhile.

meghatronic said:
0.4-0.8% of the population is 'huge'. There were double-quadruple that for the Iraq war march.....
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It's not an insignificant number to get together for a protest march, I agree that it's not as large as that against the Iraq War but it is still a relatively large amount of people.
 
Superewza said:
I didn't say you needed to be taught it, i said you learned it. I have a very, very faint memory of being born - just the sensation of going from being warm and comfortable to being cold and wanting to go back, like getting out of bed in the morning. Then i remember feeling a bit weird, and starting to breathe, thinking (not in words, but in emotions and actions) "urgh, i hope i'm not going to have to do this forever" but i soon got the hang of it. I may have made this up, but it definitely feels like a proper memory :)
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You made it up.
 
Superewza said:
Fair enough, the only problem i have with that is the underlying capitalist competition between countries and superpowers, when in reality we should be working together, just because you're on a different land mass or side of an artificial border doesn't mean you can't. Glad i could help you to understand though :)
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Artificial borders?!? They're real and globally recognised. Often physical and in almost all cases, if you go back to when they were established, people have fought and died for them. Why are borders artificial?


This AGAIN harps back to your complete denial of human nature. People want to make a better life for themselves and want to excel. They want security and they want comfortability.
They will achieve these things by educating themselves, working for them, fighting for them and combinations of all three.

In the case of borders, they were generally established by groups of people who were united by race or ideology and who decided to create a homeland for themselves, one that they were willing to defend. You can only defend your homeland if you know where it is, hence, recognised borders.

You want better for yourself, and so you're fighting for it. Your views are abhorrent to the majority of hard working, tax paying, rational people hence the strength of opinion against your views in this thread, but our arguments are simply another example of fighting to better our lives.
If we didn't agree, but didn't argue against your points you'd get your way.
If you chose to make things better for yourself by educating yourself to the realities of the world we live in and then working for the things you need to improve your life, then your quality of life will improve much quicker than just throwing tantrums about not getting what you want and expecting things to all go your way.
 
OldCoals said:
There you go again, capitalism. You have a nice Fuji camera, either an AMD or Intel Processor, Nvidia or ATI graphics card at a guess.

I bet you have a mobile phone and a bank account too and shop in the big high street chains.

You fund the big corporations you seem to despise.
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I also live in a capitalist world. I'm doing everything i can about that, but as we were just saying - i can't change it on my own. To work an alternative system would have to be self sufficient, which the world is, or in some way have a capital for the country to trade but not an internal money system, which wouldn't work since it wouldn't be worth much and would require a very heavy state, which is counter to what the society would be trying to achieve.
 
Superewza said:
I also live in a capitalist world. I'm doing everything i can about that, but as we were just saying - i can't change it on my own. To work an alternative system would have to be self sufficient, which the world is, or in some way have a capital for the country to trade but not an internal money system, which wouldn't work since it wouldn't be worth much and would require a very heavy state, which is counter to what the society would be trying to achieve.
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You could very easily not fund the big corporations, you just choose not too. ;)
 
Superewza said:
I didn't say you needed to be taught it, i said you learned it. I have a very, very faint memory of being born - just the sensation of going from being warm and comfortable to being cold and wanting to go back, like getting out of bed in the morning. Then i remember feeling a bit weird, and starting to breathe, thinking (not in words, but in emotions and actions) "urgh, i hope i'm not going to have to do this forever" but i soon got the hang of it. I may have made this up, but it definitely feels like a proper memory :)
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Oh dear lord. :(

I'm wondering, are you aware that nearly the entire country would classify you as borderline insane? And you think people are going to listen to you about anything?
 
Chris [BEANS];18769588 said:
Artificial borders?!? They're real and globally recognised. Often physical and in almost all cases, if you go back to when they were established, people have fought and died for them. Why are borders artificial?
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Exactly, people have fought and died at the hands of the ruling classes. But they are artificial borders, because they don't actually exist. It's just land. In the general scale of things it's pointless.
 
Robboftw said:
Oh dear lord. :(

I'm wondering, are you aware that nearly the entire country would classify you as borderline insane? And you think people are going to listen to you about anything?
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I blame glue, sniffing it.
 
Superewza said:
Exactly, people have fought and died at the hands of the ruling classes. But they are artificial borders, because they don't actually exist. It's just land. In the general scale of things it's pointless.
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In the general scale of things so is doing anything about it. So what's your point?

Those borders are very real, ideologically and politically as well as in many cases geographically.

To say they don't actually exist shows your ideological immaturity. Like much of what you are saying. No doubt when you have experienced life beyond the comfort zone you currently reside in you will put away your idealistic views and learn some pragmatism and realism.

Those, unlike breathing, are things you can learn.
 
Superewza said:
Exactly, people have fought and died at the hands of the ruling classes. But they are artificial borders, because they don't actually exist. It's just land. In the general scale of things it's pointless.
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Dude, it's like you've just become conscious of the world and it's all too much to comprehend and so you're just rebelling because it's something that gives you purpose!

Yes, in the grand scheme of the universe the entire human race is completely insignificant and by default, any actions of man personal or massed are insignificant. But just because 'it's pointless' in the 'general scale of things' doesn't mean it's pointless to us as individuals.
Should we all give up because ultimately our lives don't matter to 'the universe' ? No, of course not. My life matters to me and my family, and my families live matter to me and so on. Now you're getting onto theology. What is the point etc...

The point is we are here and we can enjoy our existence and try to improve it for ourselves and those we care about. Don't worry about 'the general scale of things'!!

Some clever sod once said "I think, therefore I am". That's good enough for me.
 
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