Poll: Poltergeist caught on camera

Video real?

  • Real! I definatly believe that ghosts will get me.

    Votes: 23 12.0%

  • Fake, cause I'm smart, normal and don't believe in rubbish.

    Votes: 169 88.0%
  • Total voters
    192
GordyR said:
Not really... Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The honus is on the believers to prove it... Not the sceptics to disprove it.
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I think real evidence is just as useful no matter which side provides it. The prosecution and the defence should both actively seek to produce proof. The true 'investigator' is one who remains impartial to hearsay from either side.
 
I love how it throws chairs at walls but when they are recording it casually pulls up a chair and sits down in front of the camera...
 
Funny how this is 'the poltergeist thing' which happens in all movies about poltergeists (moving furniture in straight lines.

Funny how this camera isn't showing the full length of the chair.
 
Forde said:
I think real evidence is just as useful no matter which side provides it. The prosecution and the defence should both actively seek to produce proof. The true 'investigator' is one who remains impartial to hearsay from either side.
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I completely agree when we are talking about legal matters i.e. rape or murder.

But certainly not in the case of the paranormal. You can't prove something is not real... Period. So the argument is flawed. The only people that need to prove anything are the ones that believe.

6 Billion People in the world not having had any paranormal experiences whatsoever requires the 10,000 or so that believe they have had them to come up with extraordinary proof. The rest of the world is required to do nothing. And couldn't if they wanted to anyway!
 
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In before Lysander's obligatory comment about how real it looks.

Its funny how poltergeist activity floods youtube now since people have their own editing equipment. Its exactly the same as how mellowbird and NQghosthunter do it with masking on youtube.

Hilariously bad.

NQ is the best though, he is a professional photographer, lived in his house 6 years, had a poltergiest at his work which has since followed him home and even haunted his car, terrifying stuff.
 
GordyR said:
But certainly not in the case of the paranormal. You can't prove something is not real... Period. So the argument is flawed.
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Oh, you couldn't be more wrong. People have been travelling the world to disprove so-called supernatural phenomena for years. It is very important work as there are an abundance of fakes out there and some of these criminals make MILLIONS out of their 'art'. An example is Uri Geller: he is a multi-millionaire because he has skillfully conned a lot of vulnerable or ignorant people out of their money. The work of people like James Randi is vital in exposing bad eggs like Geller and bringing their fakery into the spotlight.

From the great Harry Houdini to Derren Brown, there are people out there that will always seek to bring the truth out through investigation.


GordyR said:
The only people that need to prove anything are the ones that believe.
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That's fair enough, but a little lazy surely. If I want to know more about something I'll research it, what's wrong with that? The case in this thread is extremely unlikely to be real, but like I said earlier, just mindlessly believing something from one video is laughable - either way.
 
AHarvey said:
Its ok, they've had Derek Acorah on the case :D

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...tbuster-Derek-Acorah-sends-spook-packing.html
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"There is an angry spirit in this room, a man called Jim who died around 1900. He may have lived at this spot or farmed the land here.

"He died of a heart attack aged 58, and he has never passed fully into the spirit world. Now we are going to send Jim from this place."
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The jokes on him when he finds out the block was built in 1961.
 
Fake

ok guys im off to make my own Fake but Real Poltergeist.

Get String......done
Tie to Chair..... done.
Camera coincedently in the right place..... done.
Post on news.... done.

Cmon, lets see something real like a chair spinning on the spot at the same time cupboards opening and closing, whilst someone is making grunting noises
 
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dave1983 said:
Fake

ok guys im off to make my own Fake but Real Poltergeist.

Get String......done
Tie to Chair..... done.
Camera coincedently in the right place..... done.
Post on news.... done.

Cmon, lets see something real like a chair spinning on the spot at the same time cupboards opening and closing, whilst someone is making grunting noises
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To be honest I'd be surprised if anyone thought this was real. It has all the hallmarks of a faked video - completely unimaginative, very easy to fake, very confined camera shot. Add to the mix that the family look poor and it all falls into place.

That's not to say poltergeists haven't existed in council blocks before, of course they have, but I'm not getting the right aura from this lot.
 
Forde said:
Oh, you couldn't be more wrong. People have been travelling the world to disprove so-called supernatural phenomena for years. It is very important work as there are an abundance of fakes out there and some of these criminals make MILLIONS out of their 'art'. An example is Uri Geller: he is a multi-millionaire because he has skillfully conned a lot of vulnerable or ignorant people out of their money. The work of people like James Randi is vital in exposing bad eggs like Geller and bringing their fakery into the spotlight.
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Again... I totally agree...

But that is not proving something. That is disproving something. The point i'm making is that those of us who disbelieve this stuff do not need to prove it is not real. If someone is going to make a claim which goes against the everyday experience of the overwhelming majority of people in this world. Then it is their responsibility to change our minds. Not the other way round.



Forde said:
That's fair enough, but a little lazy surely. If I want to know more about something I'll research it, what's wrong with that?
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Nothing wrong with being interested... In fact I too find this stuff incredibly interesting.

Forde said:
just mindlessly believing something from one video is laughable - either way.
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I agree until you say 'either way'. It is laughable to believe something mindlessly from a video without any proof whatsoever.

It is not laughable to disbelieve something with no proof. Especially when it goes against the experiences of the overwhelming majority.

If you think of it this way....

Evidence for ghosts = 1%
Evidence against ghost = 99%

Which point of view is laughable to believe mindlessly? In fact it is clear that only one point of view actually is mindless. To disbelieve would be considered the informed stance to take. For those theoretcial statistics to change one person would have to provide completely irrefutable evidence. Otherwise it always remains swayed towards the sceptics.
 
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I'm convinced.

No honestly I am completely convinced there are Poltergeists.

Have a Legitimate roll eyes smiley. :rolleyes:


:p
 
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