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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%

  • Total voters
    601
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Sorry to bore you put you post contained to much sillyness to ignore.

On topic, no idea where this one is going to end up, it looks like we are fast running out of time to keep using the protecting civilians excuse and we are begining to see the limits of what our air power can do to assist a rebel force who clearly are not capable of defeating the government forces. My money is on us, France and the USA arming the rebels and sending in covert training teams without going back to the UN which will annoy the Russians and China no end!

Long term I don't see how we win, if we engineer regieme change it looks like we will end up with a more hardline Muslim dictator to replace the existing muppet which surely can't be a good thing in the eyes of western governments. There are afterall no working Islamic democracies in the world.
 
I don't think it's as simple as that. What's stopping them getting out of their tanks and defecting? They don't have to fight?

The same thing that stops anyone from defecting, a hard liners bullet in your back. The fear of gadaffi retaining power and then hunting down any possible defectors.

That's why i stated that the best way to protect everyone would be to cut off gadaffi's reach and simply take him out...
 
The same thing that stops anyone from defecting, a hard liners bullet in your back. The fear of gadaffi retaining power and then hunting down any possible defectors.

That's why i stated that the best way to protect everyone would be to cut off gadaffi's reach and simply take him out...

maybe they dont want to defect i dont know why everyone just assumes they do
 
The same thing that stops anyone from defecting, a hard liners bullet in your back. The fear of gadaffi retaining power and then hunting down any possible defectors.

That's why i stated that the best way to protect everyone would be to cut off gadaffi's reach and simply take him out...

You are of course excluding the fact that some poeple do support Gaddafi, even the BBC reporters say that. They are not just the rent-a-mob for the cameras.

Some of his soldiers are mercs, they generally only tend to leave when there is no likelihood of being paid or when it is almost over and they are looking for their own survival.
 
maybe they dont want to defect i dont know why everyone just assumes they do

Its possible - maybe they don't want to see radical Islam and al qaida back in their country. But then you can hardly blame them for this and certainly whilst they are defending themselves from the uprising it would seem unsporting to bomb them at a time while we hunt down al qaida in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 
The key phase is "of any form". That covers all other military or quasi-military people.

No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".
 
No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".

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No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".

By your definition the SAS and American Special Forces were not part of the invasion force in Iraq:rolleyes:
 
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