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a1ex2001 · 31 Mar 2011 at 12:45

Neil79 said:
Yawn!

Sorry to bore you put you post contained to much sillyness to ignore.

On topic, no idea where this one is going to end up, it looks like we are fast running out of time to keep using the protecting civilians excuse and we are begining to see the limits of what our air power can do to assist a rebel force who clearly are not capable of defeating the government forces. My money is on us, France and the USA arming the rebels and sending in covert training teams without going back to the UN which will annoy the Russians and China no end!

Long term I don't see how we win, if we engineer regieme change it looks like we will end up with a more hardline Muslim dictator to replace the existing muppet which surely can't be a good thing in the eyes of western governments. There are afterall no working Islamic democracies in the world.

Neil79 · 31 Mar 2011 at 12:51

a1ex2001 said:
Sorry to bore you put you post contained to much sillyness to ignore.

I yawned at the racism part, the rest i mildly agree with

a1ex2001 · 31 Mar 2011 at 12:57

Neil79 said:
I yawned at the racism part, the rest i mildly agree with

You opening comment is Racist, its denigrating people for being Muslim.

RDM · 31 Mar 2011 at 12:57

a1ex2001 said:
You opening comment is Racist, its denigrating people for being Muslim.

Technically it is bigoted rather than racist, but I have long lost that particular battle it seems....

meghatronic · 31 Mar 2011 at 13:01

a1ex2001 said:
You opening comment is Racist, its denigrating people for being Muslim.

Muslims are a race?

The Running Man · 31 Mar 2011 at 13:28

Captain Planet said:
I don't think it's as simple as that. What's stopping them getting out of their tanks and defecting? They don't have to fight?

The same thing that stops anyone from defecting, a hard liners bullet in your back. The fear of gadaffi retaining power and then hunting down any possible defectors.

That's why i stated that the best way to protect everyone would be to cut off gadaffi's reach and simply take him out...

arknor · 31 Mar 2011 at 13:37

The Running Man said:
The same thing that stops anyone from defecting, a hard liners bullet in your back. The fear of gadaffi retaining power and then hunting down any possible defectors.

That's why i stated that the best way to protect everyone would be to cut off gadaffi's reach and simply take him out...

maybe they dont want to defect i dont know why everyone just assumes they do

do_ron_ron · 31 Mar 2011 at 14:09

meghatronic said:
No it doesn't.

while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory

The relevant text that covers it.

do_ron_ron · 31 Mar 2011 at 14:13

The Running Man said:
The same thing that stops anyone from defecting, a hard liners bullet in your back. The fear of gadaffi retaining power and then hunting down any possible defectors.

That's why i stated that the best way to protect everyone would be to cut off gadaffi's reach and simply take him out...

You are of course excluding the fact that some poeple do support Gaddafi, even the BBC reporters say that. They are not just the rent-a-mob for the cameras.

Some of his soldiers are mercs, they generally only tend to leave when there is no likelihood of being paid or when it is almost over and they are looking for their own survival.

The Running Man · 31 Mar 2011 at 14:18

arknor said:
maybe they dont want to defect i dont know why everyone just assumes they do

Its possible - maybe they don't want to see radical Islam and al qaida back in their country. But then you can hardly blame them for this and certainly whilst they are defending themselves from the uprising it would seem unsporting to bomb them at a time while we hunt down al qaida in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

RDM · 31 Mar 2011 at 14:38

do_ron_ron said:
The relevant text that covers it.

The key phrase is "occupation force". Observers, spotters, advisors etc don't count as an occupation force.

do_ron_ron · 31 Mar 2011 at 15:31

RDM said:
The key phrase is "occupation force". Observers, spotters, advisors etc don't count as an occupation force.

The key phase is "of any form". That covers all other military or quasi-military people.

RDM · 31 Mar 2011 at 15:46

do_ron_ron said:
The key phase is "of any form". That covers all other military or quasi-military people.

No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".

RoboCod · 31 Mar 2011 at 16:04

RDM said:
No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".

Correct

a1ex2001 · 31 Mar 2011 at 16:20

RDM said:
Technically it is bigoted rather than racist, but I have long lost that particular battle it seems....

meghatronic said:
Muslims are a race?

Lets not play semantics or de-rail the thread and just agree that what he said was inappropriate and derogotory?

Neil79 · 31 Mar 2011 at 16:24

Stop De-Railing and Spouting Rubbish It's been fine for ages now

Back On topic please, Thanks

do_ron_ron · 31 Mar 2011 at 22:22

RDM said:
No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".

By your definition the SAS and American Special Forces were not part of the invasion force in Iraq :rolleyes:

Castiel · 31 Mar 2011 at 22:42

do_ron_ron said:
By your definition the SAS and American Special Forces were not part of the invasion force in Iraq

Define "Part of"

Castiel · 31 Mar 2011 at 22:46

RDM said:
No it doesn't because the "of any form" applies to "occupation force". Advisors, spotters, obeservers and whatever else you want to call intelligence and special forces assets these days do not constitute an "occupation force".

Quite.

meghatronic · 31 Mar 2011 at 22:56

do_ron_ron said:
By your definition the SAS and American Special Forces were not part of the invasion force in Iraq

Non sequitur.

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