Anyone else feel freaked out when going into an apple store?

Many.

I don't view the world in absolutes.

Same as the vast majority of products then really.

It's not like the sheep have been hard done by though, it would be worse if the £500-600 they were spending wasn't getting them what is arguably the best phone out.
 
I'm not sure I understand the love for Apple's products.

I've used a lot of their products and just don't get it.
 
I'm not sure I understand the love for Apple's products.

I've used a lot of their products and just don't get it.

I'm not sure I understand why some people think that anyone who "buys", "uses" or "likes" an Apple product is believed to "love" it, or what that even means.

This whole argument is utterly retarded.
 
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I like how the 3rd party products they select are usually of good quality, so even if the product may not be 100% suitable (eg headphones, bag, case.. etc) at least they'll last a while longer than most other stuff.
 
I'm not sure I understand why some people think that anyone who "buys", "uses" or "likes" an Apple product is believed to "love" it.

This whole argument is utterly retarded.

If you buy something made by Apple, you are not a user, you are a fan.

Or so some people seem to think... :o
 
Same as the vast majority of products then really.

It's not like the sheep have been hard done by though, it would be worse if the £500-600 they were spending wasn't getting them what is arguably the best phone out.

I haven't suggested anything other. I've said more than once now, that Apple isn't unique and others have done exactly the same thing in pandering to people's information cascade and flattering the customer about their products.

Apple customers no longer seem to think "Is this product the best value and function for my needs?" but rather ignore that for "How will this product make me feel?" and Apple obviously reinforce this digression by applauding people when they make said purchases. I'm reminded of this song:


Taking a further step back, I'm alarmed that the majority of people honestly believe that buying goods will make them feel better. But that's an incredibly loaded topic in itself and will no doubt bring out the left/right economic schism.

The only thing unique about Apple is that they seem to be the first company to have their comparison (i.e. technological/'expensive') goods available to a relatively affluent population/mass. Thus, all that is reflected is that more stupid people have more money than before. I despair because I expect more from humanity on both sides; less manipulation and less braindead conformity.

I couldn't give a toss if someone buys an iPod. I just don't want them doing it so they can keep up with the Jones's nor do I want Apple propogating falsehood to get them to do so.
 
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I feel happy when I buy expensive luxury things, I'm pretty sure everyone else does too.

Apple make extremely good products and people buy them, I'm really not sure what you are going on about but you sound like a tree hugger :p
 
Nix - do you believe that this phenomenon exists only with Apple, or that Apple are the only business to exploit it? Because it really doesn't, and they really aren't.
 
I feel happy when I buy expensive luxury things, I'm pretty sure everyone else does too.

Because capitalism needs you to keep buying things so the model continues to function and to get you to buy things it propogates falsehood in that you'll find happiness by buying said products. It's just the way of the world. But as I said, it's too loaded to tangent here.

Apple make extremely good products and people buy them, I'm really not sure what you are going on about but you sound like a tree hugger :p

You know I'm not a tree-hugger. But because I'm coming from the 'left' of the spectrum, that doesn't for one second mean my arguments are irrelevant or wrong nor that I suddenly want to overthrow the government.

Apple do make good products, but does anything they do warrant the absolute insanity of the cult that surrounds them?

As I said, I'm not against Apple at all. I own an iPod-nano-touch-thingy for crying out loud.
 
I feel happy when I buy expensive luxury things, I'm pretty sure everyone else does too.

Apple make extremely good products and people buy them, I'm really not sure what you are going on about but you sound like a tree hugger :p

It's odd. Even though Nix knows apple are not unique in this he seems to have a huge hatred for only apple.
 
Nix - do you believe that this phenomenon exists only with Apple, or that Apple are the only business to exploit it? Because it really doesn't, and they really aren't.

Am I seriously being asked this again?

No. It's how capitalism functions. Everyone's bloody at it.
 
It's odd. Even though Nix knows apple are not unique in this he seems to have a huge hatred for only apple.

/Bangs head.

Please tell me you're just winding me up now!

I don't hate Apple. I hate the whole pretentious cult that surrounds them. It could be any product or any company this happened to. It was just so happened to be Apple and my guess is due to them being the first company to have niche comparison goods available to an affluent mass. I'd put good money on this happening again and again and again in the future.

It's the behaviour, marketing (lies) and stupidity at play I dislike here.
 
Keep raging against that machine.

Yeah, because pointing out a truism suddenly means I'm going to stop washing and worship Marx.

Grow up.

This is why it's too much of a hassle to discuss things of this nature on these forums sometimes.

Too many far-right wingers knee-jerk at the slightest hint of 'opposition' resorting to straw-man arguments and ad hom. fallacies.

If pointing out the truth/reality from an objective point of view means I'm somehow automatically opposed, then what does that say about the bubbles these people are living in or indeed, trying to create?

Opposing in principle on a social level what capitalism is doing to people at an invidual level does not suddenly make you a socialist who wants to live in a communist state. I'm perfectly content with the capitalist society. I just wish more people were informed so they wouldn't buy in to idiocy in the first place. If we're ever going to push humanity forward, we've got to acknowledge that our economic system at a social level is flawed. Pointing that out doesn't make you a ****ing hippy.
 
So you will rage against every company?

Where am I raging? Where am I claiming to bring anything down? We're discussing Apple and I'm giving a perspective. There is no hypocrisy at play here. Capitalism/marketing just is what it is. It's the social level I'm concerned with!

All I'm doing is trying to point out the bloody obvious and you're making out that I want to bring the system down.

Stop asking stupid questions, you're smarter than that.

What marketing lies? Got an example?

Apple may often sound cheesy, but I don't think they lie.

Read my earlier post regarding iPhone4 and the 'feel good factor'.
 
I'm still not sure what you are getting at, are you suggesting that nobody should ever buy anything?

Read my earlier post regarding iPhone4 and the 'feel good factor'.

Buying a top of the range product with your hard earned money should make you feel good to be fair.
 
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