Will This Country Never Stand & Say NO MORE!!!
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Surely the biggest issue is our attitudes towards immigration itself?
Too many people in this country see immigration as such a bad thing, and refuse to back down on that opinion. Many people have posted evidence in this thread about the positive impact that immigrants have on the economy. But my question is this, why should everyone in the world have to 'stay put'? If you're born in one country, why shouldn't you have the freedom to move around to wherever you please?
Of course the obvious response is because most people will just 'abuse the benefits system'. But surely not everyone is just abusing the benefits system? And this is just the rubbish that we get fed from the newspapers that just encourages the typical negative British view on immigration?
In my personal opinion, immigration is a good thing, and I'm pro-EU. Although it's going to be a very lengthy and expensive process, I want to move to the USA once I've finished my degree in two years time, and so feel that other people should have the ability and freedom to do the same!
Too many people in this country see immigration as such a bad thing, and refuse to back down on that opinion. Many people have posted evidence in this thread about the positive impact that immigrants have on the economy. But my question is this, why should everyone in the world have to 'stay put'? If you're born in one country, why shouldn't you have the freedom to move around to wherever you please?
Of course the obvious response is because most people will just 'abuse the benefits system'. But surely not everyone is just abusing the benefits system? And this is just the rubbish that we get fed from the newspapers that just encourages the typical negative British view on immigration?
In my personal opinion, immigration is a good thing, and I'm pro-EU. Although it's going to be a very lengthy and expensive process, I want to move to the USA once I've finished my degree in two years time, and so feel that other people should have the ability and freedom to do the same!
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I agree actually does sound rather racist to say "white trash", can I complain about the hordes of Black trash that also (disproportionally so) can't find jobs?
So no benefits and a bit of national service - I whole heartedly agree, and give our own young un's a dose of it while you're at it.
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Because most people are a bit dim, read idiot rags and need a scape-goat for their shortcomings in life.
I think, anyway.
dowie though is white, just like black blokes can say ****** but not white trash.
Although white trash is an interesting one, as it does imply that it's thought all white people should, be of a certain standard and the trailer park dwelling lot some how don't measure up.
I'm not sure if that's sarcastic but by god i hope it is.
Given that I have little work experience outside of that and left University early because I decided that the degree I was doing wasn't right, it means I don't have the general work experience foundation that a lot of people use to launch themselves up the ladder. Plus leaving University a few months before everything went balls up economy wise probably wasn't the best decision, ha.
I do the usual, looking on company websites, jobcentre/jobsites, asking friends and family, etc. I'm also studying an OU degree part time which will hopefully lead into teaching, or something similar, but that's a longways away from being completed.
I have seen a few jobs that I've wanted to apply for/could do, but they all seem to go before I get a chance to apply. Which is my one gripe with the jobcentre website.
True. Unfortunately I happen to live in an area where my aforementioned "qualities" are prevalant over what you have suggested. Admittedly, my statement was more anecdotal in nature, rather than substantiated with fact.
I know plenty of people who have no problem describing themselves as a distinct ethnic identity - Scottish, Polish, Pakistani etc. I think you need to get out more if you hand around with "fish and chips" or "queen", but as I said - South of England. Strange place.
Also, applying Darwinian rules to ethnicity is very dangerous. Holocaust anyone? Or any other genocide for that matter... But, I'm sure that's not what you meant, so I'll say it in another way. Every ethnicity has the right to self determination. I for one still think there is much is Western or even indeed British culture that is worth preserving. I would wager that due to declining birth rates amongst the current majority of this island - future growth is going to be made up of people not native to this island - this is obvious. However a possible problem with this is, will our new growth be sympathetic to our current values and way of life? Whilst Eastern Europeans are not a problem in this respect - other groups certainly are. Especially when they reach a critical mass in terms of population size and start demanding political and social changes; for their benefit only. This is going off topic.. I'll reiterate, there is a distinct cultureto this nation and its only natural that when other distinct cultures enter it, it comes down to a numbers game where one will eventually dominate at the cultural and social expense of others - or they will both be forced together and loose their cultural distinctiveness all together and have only a meaningless consumer capitalist identity to hold them together... Fascist rant over
Anyway, you are right. I am well off topic and I should spend my day off doing better things... What I really want to say on this topic is - Why are native British potential workers so lazy? I personally blame socialist benefit culture and a feeling of ill disciplined laxity brought on also by modern mass consumer culture. I would like it if these potentially useful class of people would be whipped into shape (literally perhaps - it worked in Wellington's army) and made to work in the jobs that immigrants take, because ultimately taking on immigrants doesn't help those needlessly out of work, it is just a temporary solution to a labour shortage whilst our underclass festers.
You're probably right about needing to get out a bit more, unfortunately that's not easy where I am, lol.
No, you're right. Cultures have a right to exist, and the whole darwinist perspective was simply a matter of numbers, rather than ethics - overwhelming numbers and strength (as you can see that some cultures are a lot more integrated into people's daily lives and routines while others seem to be distinctly seperate) can tend to diminish another culture, or assimilate it into itself simply through it's presence. For the record, I'm not saying that a stronger culture should be allowed to actively destroy another, but that the two can evolve together to become one larger culture, if that makes sense.
From my own personal perspective, and from what I've seen (which I know is hardly unbiased and the like, but it's my main frame of reference), as a British person there is a lack of cohesiveness that you might find in immigrant groups, there are less strict rituals which we collectively adhere to and as such I think it might our weakness and why we feel threatened when we see an influx of tightly knit communities/cultures.
As for the lazy attitude of people, it is certainly a complex set of reasons. You have an attitude of entitlement, there's a sense of apathy when it comes to things of great importance with a division between "the world" and "my life". I also feel that some companies are to blame - while I understand the business ethic of finding the most productive, cost-effective workforce, it doesn't help when there are a lot of unemployed people in this country and companies are actively seeking to bring in more workers from abroad - it tends to breed resentment, and eventually apathy. "Why bother working when..." And finally there's our high work standard, which goes hand-in-hand with our high standard of living. And while it serves to try and make sure there's a fair level field within the working environment, it also makes us a lot more expensive. Couple that with the previous traits, and it makes us fairly undesirable. And from my own work experience, I can see where this is true, unfortunately my "British" colleagues seem to be on the whole quite lazy, while the "non-British" colleagues I've worked with tend to be very hard-working.
Also, there's not much effort in getting people back into work. I was on JSA for around 8 months looking for work at the height of the recession, I was offered nothing in the way of training or skills to help me find a job. So it was "Hi, what jobs have you looked for?" *hands booklet* "Okay, fine, see you in two weeks." For about eight months.
tl;dr: Potato.
p.s. As for the benefits, they should probably be changed to vouchers, with only a marginal amount of free cash, with things like travel, training, certain clothing, food, books all paid for. But I wonder if that'd be more expensive in the long run? As long as it's dealt fairly, in which case it would be need a massive overhaul is it is totally not fair at the moment, then it might work.
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Nice to read that someone who is Pro-EU is gonna jump ship & go to the USA - While we sink lower & lower in to the cesspit of EU robbery & mass immigration - thanks
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Don't worry, like most people with that dream he probably massively over-estimates his chances of getting there.
Yes it is that simple. Couldn't care about polish jobs, they mean nothing when it comes to britains taking British jobs.
Not all jobs out there are minimum wage, plenty are more than minimum.
I appreciate that many people are stuck in a benefit trap, but people do not lose all benefits when they start working.
Ha, and you think I'm leaving because I think 'We're sinking lower and lower into the cesspit of the EU'? Nice.
Just because I want to leave the UK and the EU doesn't mean that I hate the system, it means I prefer the US, and have always wanted to live there.
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I don't deny, it's going to be very difficult to get over there, but I'm going to try anyway, otherwise I'll never find out!
Not at all, perhaps you think demanding some service from your citizens is against their human rights, or maybe you hear national service and think military conscription. It doesn't need to be like that (think of options for conscientious objectors).
I also think the brightest children should have the opportunity of going to boarding school from the age of 11, funded by the state.
Real social mobility doesn't happen while you are tied down by your 'peers', why so called 'progressive' political parties don't understand it I don't know (maybe they don't want too many of the proletariat 'taking their jobs').
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The first thing Labour did in 1997 was abolish the 25% of private (public
) school places that were funded by the state for pupils without the means to otherwise pay for it.What the ****?
The first thing Labour did in 1997 was abolish the 25% of private (public
Labour has no interest in social mobility, they stop being Labour supporters once they get out of the ghetto.
I think it's not worth the risks.
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Too often any such service just becomes corrupted and home to abuse.
we can't even stamp it out of our professional army yet you think you can do it in a forced organisation of youths?
If you could guarantee it would be safe sure, but no one's managed it yet so i just don't think it's worth it.
Don't you have to work in the country first to be able to claim benefits?
I don't understand, but don't you have to like, pay an x amount of national insurance contributions before you can claim??
and don't you have to live in the country for a few years before you can claim benefits?
and if not then why not?
I don't understand, but don't you have to like, pay an x amount of national insurance contributions before you can claim??
and don't you have to live in the country for a few years before you can claim benefits?
and if not then why not?