Osama bin Laden is dead - no graphic/violent images.

[valkia]

Facial recognition, finger prints probably DNA all take seconds. Buried at sea is due to Islams need to be buried within 24hours as well as they don't want his grave becoming a shrine.

^ This. Couldn't let someone who had such bad morals become a grounds of happiness to others.

 

[kibblerok]

Facial recognition, finger prints probably DNA all take seconds. Buried at sea is due to Islams need to be buried within 24hours as well as they don't want his grave becoming a shrine.

Sky news saying body possibly held in Kabul for 18 hours - so plenty of opportunity for evidence gathering.

Lets ignore the pretence the dumping was to keep in line with Islamic tradition - dumping a body at sea in these circumstances is not Islamic tradition.

 

[Deific]

So?

I merely refer to what you said about his body being disposed. There wasn't much truly Islamic about bin Laden. Many practicing Muslims will tell you that.

This can easily be argued. Many muslims think Sharia Law should be enforced everywhere, whilst many others oppose it. Which opinion is truly Islamic?
That's just the tip. Religion and beliefs within that religion are all percieved differently by many many different practitioners of that religion. To state that someone isn't as muslim as another, is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Glaucus]

Lets ignore the pretence the dumping was to keep in line with Islamic tradition - dumping a body at sea in these circumstances is not Islamic tradition.

As for burial at sea, may not be usual but is allowed. it seems you can be buried at sea if the body is likely to be resumed by enemies.

http://www.seaservices.com/Muslim.htm

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

 

[stulid]

Whats your point? I'm not debating the decision to tell nobody, not even Pakistan, of the impending raid. The more people know the more chance it has of being leaked to them. It was the correct decision.

I'm saying the claims that Pakistan must've known he was there because he lived 60 miles away from the capital are a load of ********. And that just because they may have some members still friendly to Al Qaeda doesn't mean they could've kept it a secret from everyone. All it would've taken is 1 person to find out and leak the information.
Hell for all we know that could be how it went down and Pakistan don't want to be involved for fear of reprisal.

Whats my point?

The experts have explained this all morning on the news, there are still friendly people with the ISI that would have know where Osama was all this time, he was the head of Al Queda/taliban in Afghanistan, and the Pakistan government were friendly with them, and some old school people within the ISI would have known.

All the info is on the news channels.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

This can easily be argued. Many muslims think Shari Law should be enforced everywhere, whilst many others oppose it. Which opinion is truly Islamic?
That's just the tip. Religion and beliefs within that religion are all percieved differently by many many different practitioners of that religion. To state that someone isn't as muslim as another, is a ridiculous statement.

Is it that ridiculous ?

Many Muslims find the killing of innocents abhorrent and does the Koran not denounce that also ? Not a blade of grass shall be harmed.

 

[Amnesia]

I think it would have to be stupidity on another level to claim he was dead if it wasn't the case, so i doubt very much they would be lying about it.
I still don't see the reason why they would just dump the body at sea when they could do have done it live on t.v to show the world proof.

Seems a bit weird after all the fuss they kicked up about bin laden that they would not attempt to capture him alive for info....the leader of Al queda who they could extract the names and possible whereabouts of every significant Al Queda member and they DON'T want him alive ? seriously ?

I guess this war on terror/freedom crap is going to be going on for some years then.

 

[NathWraith]

Exactly...your saying our opinion is based on our loyalties...ie what side we are on, not actual empirical data. This just leads to close mindedness and extermism on both sides.

You say bin laden did *nothing* good.....but what do you actually know of what he did apart from what your side is telling you. He was supposedly a very quiet, humble man, intelligent and well educated and I'm sure he did a lot of good for "his people" - which just as the good you see our leaders do, would balance out the bad Bin Laden did in his peoples opinion.

There are just as many people in the world who dont think he was an evil terrorist, but a freedom fighter and who do think Bush/Blair are the terrorists. So, their opinion is wrong and ours is right just because of "sides" ?

There is no absolute right or wrong - generally might is right. It was a war (on both sides) and we killed him before he killed "us"...we won this part of the battle, thats all - I dont see any moral high ground being won.

Martin McGuinness was an "evil terrorist" who murdered people, now he is part of the ruling elite *shrug*

Its easy to use pejorative statements to mould peoples opinions to how we want them to think only to change them when it suits our aims.

Now you are just waffling on. I don't agree with any of this extremist terrorism which bin laden clearly stood for, of course his people thought he was doing good! That is beacuse they were terrorists aswell!

Yeah, this thread is solely for cheering the death of Bin Laden, no intelligence or debate allowed

Yes and anything bin laden related, not the demographic correlation between werstern society and poverty blah blah blah.

Do you blindly accept what the media tells us as the truth then?

Stop trying to provoke answers out of people, can you not talk normally. Why does everything have to be question? Oh wait.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Seems a bit weird after all the fuss they kicked up about bin laden that they would not attempt to capture him alive for info....the leader of Al queda who they could extract the names and possible whereabouts of every significant Al Queda member and they DON'T want him alive ? seriously ?

Because OBL would let them take him alive? Wake up.

About time the Pakistan was exposed in front of the world for who they really are. They have been hiding these people for a long time whilst playing the West for a fool. India needs to get tough with them.

 

[dowie]

That is the irony of it and we can debate that all day.

The fact is he ceased to become an asset to the US intelligence services, bankrolled AQ terror attacks on US assets and people and as such sealed his own fate.

Actually he never was an asset - some of the people he fought alongside were but he wasn't himself.

And anyway its not as though any of them were flying planes into buildings back then. Backing people fighting against the military of our cold war enemy is a bit different.

If we'd backed him to go blow up 3000 people in Moscow there might be a comparison to be made - we didn't and there isn't.

 

[Glaucus]

I think it would have to be stupidity on another level to claim he was dead if it wasn't the case, so i doubt very much they would be lying about it.
I still don't see the reason why they would just dump the body at sea when they could do have done it live on t.v to show the world proof.

Seems a bit weird after all the fuss they kicked up about bin laden that they would not attempt to capture him alive for info....the leader of Al queda who they could extract the names and possible whereabouts of every significant Al Queda member and they DON'T want him alive ? seriously ?

I guess this war on terror/freedom crap is going to be going on for some years then.

killing Osama will do nothing against war on terror, he is nothing but a well. Known figure head.

As for showing it on tv, why on earth would they do that. It's pretty disrespectful, they didn't even do that for Saddam.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Good lord!! All the 'at home all of a sudden I KNOW EVERYTHING news analysts' have blown up on good ol' FB!!

And on OCUK where you are - how weird

 

[Ivan Drago]

Not sure if anyone has mention the 'dead photo' of OBL released on Pak tv.

STOP POSTING THE IMAGES - THEY ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR THE FORUM

 

[dowie]

The experts have explained this all morning on the news, there are still friendly people with the ISI that would have know where Osama was all this time, he was the head of Al Queda/taliban in Afghanistan, and the Pakistan government were friendly with them, and some old school people within the ISI would have known.

This tbh...

It seems either the Pakistan govt isn't very straight with the west of they don't have full control over their intelligence service. An ISI officer was involved in the blowing up of the Indian embassy in Kabul and others have been found among Taliban dead.

Parts of Pakistan's intelligence service certainly still have strong links to the wrong sort of people.

 

[Evilsod]

Whats my point?

The experts have explained this all morning on the news, there are still friendly people with the ISI that would have know where Osama was all this time, he was the head of Al Queda/taliban in Afghanistan, and the Pakistan government were friendly with them, and some old school people within the ISI would have known.

All the info is on the news channels.

That's an awfully big 'could have'. Yes they could have known where he was, but how the hell do you keep that a secret? No-one really knows how many of the government are still friendly with them. Simply saying they MUST have known he was there just because he was 60 miles away is a joke, there isn't a single shred of evidence that they knew he was there, at least not yet.

Perhaps in the future they will find some, perhaps they won't, perhaps there's nothing to find. It took them almost a decade to find him. If the US start pointing the finger at Pakistan blaming them for how long it took them to find him they're just going to look stupid.

 

[stulid]

Because OBL would let them take him alive? Wake up.

About time the Pakistan was exposed in front of the world for who they really are. They have been hiding these people for a long time whilst playing the West for a fool. India needs to get tough with them.

Thats what they are saying all over the news channels, people in the ISI are more corrupt than Mark Higgins taking a £300K bribe!!

 

[=VTA=MANFACE]

Was bin Laden a evil terrorist when America was helping the Mujahideen fight the Russians?

That's like saying was he an evil terrorist when he was a baby.

or

Was John Wayne Gacy a serial killer when he was a baby too ?


I really don't get your point ?

 

[doofer]

Not sure if anyone has mention the 'dead photo' of OBL released on Pak tv.

Image... again...

YOU CAN'T TELL BY THE PIXELS!!???? www.specsavers.co.uk

 

[Hitman_Leon]

"Hamas condemns 'assassination' of 'holy warrior' bin Laden"

WTF. Bunch of terrorist nutjobs.

Hamas don't even subscribe to the way Osama and friends do things, they try and push out the al-Qaeda related groups as too militant for even their cause, hypocrites.

They are right about one thing though, he is a very holy warrior, hole provided by a 7.62 or 5.55 probably.

 

[arknor]

killing Osama will do nothing against war on terror, he is nothing but a well. Known figure head.

As for showing it on tv, why on earth would they do that. It's pretty disrespectful, they didn't even do that for Saddam.

there were videos of his execution lol