Would you do the swap

[TW]Fox · 8 May 2011 at 00:03

Joshy said:
Because you quite simply aren't paying 'proper' rent. You are getting a subsidized figure because if you weren't you would have flown the nest years ago. This subsidized figure to some twisted individuals like me could be seen as a 'gift'. At the end of the day your parents are doing you a favour. Mark's doing his daughter a favour

Firstly you have no idea how much I pay and what my personal circumstances are - the reason I live here is not financial. What I will say is that if I decided to rent a room in a house elsewhere, I suspect my outgoings wouldn't change significantly.

Secondly I'm not 'complaining' about what Mark does. It's his life, it's his children, he is free to do thus as he pleases. I was simply offering an alternative opinion after you gave the impression you thought it was an 'either buy kids everything or buy kids nothing' situation. It is my personal beleif that it's important that people understand the value of things and what things are worth - and its my personal opinion that this is better done by making them contribute towards the purchase of an item rather than simply buying it for them multiple times each year.

Thirdly if you cannot see the difference between being purchased a tangiable product and paying to live in the family home then like some others in this thread I am left simply confused at your opinions.

Joshy · 8 May 2011 at 00:04

Robbo said:
Paying 'proper' rent would give you a whole apartment/house though, living with your parents is not the same thing at all.

Haven't you heard of Flat/House shares? I bet every pound I own that Fox's token rent is less than what the market rate for a comparable sized room would be with internet, phones, gas and electricity factored in. Plus he gets food for free/discounted rates/actually cooked for him. Plus he must get the bathroom/kitchen/rest of the house cleaned up to a good standard and he has the advantage of not living with complete animals.

I will never, EVER end up in a flat share. I'll sooner sleep in my car.

sigma · 8 May 2011 at 00:06

Joshy said:
Haven't you heard of Flat/House shares? I bet every pound I own that Fox's token rent is less than what the market rate for a comparable sized room would be with internet, phones, gas and electricity factored in. Plus he gets food for free/discounted rates/actually cooked for him. Plus he must get the bathroom/kitchen/rest of the house cleaned up to a good standard and he has the advantage of living with complete animals.

I will never, EVER end up in a flat share. I'll sooner sleep in my car.

How does that compare to being given a £20k+ car?

Joshy logic strikes again. :\

Would you rather pay me £100 or let me give you £1000?

[TW]Fox · 8 May 2011 at 00:06

Joshy said:
Plus he gets food for free

No he doesn't.

actually cooked for him.

No he doesn't.

Plus he must get the bathroom/kitchen/rest of the house cleaned up to a good standard

It probably isn't a good idea to form your opinion based on idle speculation Joshy.

he has the advantage of living with complete animals.

Errr wut?!

sigma · 8 May 2011 at 00:07

Bed time for Joshy.

Joshy · 8 May 2011 at 00:10

[TW]Fox;19082971 said:
No he doesn't.

No family meals at all? Poor sod

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[TW]Fox;19082971 said:
It probably isn't a good idea to form your opinion based on idle speculation Joshy.

I don't your mum/dad/siblings would let the house descend to the point of some flat/house shares

[TW]Fox;19082971 said:
Errr wut?!

I forgot a word. I added it before the 'edited by' subtitle popped up so it still counts.

Joshy · 8 May 2011 at 00:12

sigma said:
How does that compare to being given a £20k+ car?

Joshy logic strikes again. :\

Would you rather pay me £100 or let me give you £1000?

Joshy logic is as sound as a pound mate. If you are given £10 you shouldn't really moan about someone else being given £20.

Subsided rent is a 'gift' in my eyes. Your parents are almost certainly not doing it because they NEED the money.

Robbo · 8 May 2011 at 00:12

Joshy said:
Haven't you heard of Flat/House shares? I bet every pound I own that Fox's token rent is less than what the market rate for a comparable sized room would be with internet, phones, gas and electricity factored in. Plus he gets food for free/discounted rates/actually cooked for him. Plus he must get the bathroom/kitchen/rest of the house cleaned up to a good standard and he has the advantage of not living with complete animals.

I will never, EVER end up in a flat share. I'll sooner sleep in my car.

You're still using 'spoilt' wrongly.

Someone living with their parents for a reasonable rent price is a long, LONG way from being spoiled.

Joshy said:
Subsided rent is a 'gift' in my eyes. Your parents are almost certainly not doing it because they NEED the money.

I bet many people do need the money.

[TW]Fox · 8 May 2011 at 00:12

Joshy said:
No family meals at all? Poor sod .

It's my choice - I am a nightmare with food, so I shop for and cook for myself. Quite why we've now descended into this level of detail in a car thread I don't know :eek:

But it's safe to say you are off the mark here, I think you had some sort of idea that I paid 50 quid a month and got all my dinners cooked and my washing done - sadly not, however great that would be :eek:

I'll be honest - the reason I'm still here is not financial, it's because I have absolutely zero interest in living with anyone but my girlfriend and when this happens we both need to reclocate, so the circumstances must be right for both of us.

There we go, now you know.

If you are given £10 you shouldn't really moan about someone else being given £20.
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Will you stop implying i am moaning? I can offer an opinion without moaning - I don't care what DM does with his kids, I just have an opinion - which I expressed. This isn't moaning therefore your entire 'YOU CANT MOAN BECUASE' arguement is completely irrelevent.

Kenai · 8 May 2011 at 00:14

Anyway, given this was all sparked by 'value of money', which do you think better educates someone as to the value of money?

a) Letting them live at home but making them pay rent to do so, even if it is a slightly discounted amount

b) Buying them 4 different £20,000+ cars in under a year and a shop to set up in when they finish college (plus maybe even living at home for free? not sure DM has ever commented on her living arrangements?)

[TW]Fox · 8 May 2011 at 00:15

Joshy is in danger of making this look like everyone is having a pop at DM which of course completely isn't the case.

sigma · 8 May 2011 at 00:15

I guess if you're never going to have to 'worry' about money then there is no real need to bother about putting much of a value on it?

Kenai · 8 May 2011 at 00:17

sigma said:
I guess if you're never going to have to worry about money then there is no real need to bother about putting much of a value on it?

A good point but you never know where life may take you - you can fall just as fast as you climbed, if not faster and if it wasn't you that did the climbing to start with, then having such a privileged upbringing could end up working against you.

sigma · 8 May 2011 at 00:20

Kenai said:
A good point but you never know where life may take you - you can fall just as fast as you climbed, if not faster and if it wasn't you that did the climbing to start with, then having such a privileged upbringing could end up working against you.

Yeah, I suppose. We're not really in the best of places to judge her upbringing though really.

Kenai · 8 May 2011 at 00:23

sigma said:
Yeah, I suppose. We're not really in the best of places to judge on her upbringing though really.

No we're not at all and as Fox says, we run the risk of this looking like a dig at Mark where it's not intended to be anything of the sort.

Joshy · 8 May 2011 at 00:23

Kenai said:
Anyway, given this was all sparked by 'value of money', which do you think better educates someone as to the value of money?

a) Letting them live at home but making them pay rent to do so, even if it is a slightly discounted amount

b) Buying them 4 different £20,000+ cars in under a year and a shop to set up in when they finish college (plus maybe even living at home for free? not sure DM has ever commented on her living arrangements?)

It's just adjusting to different brackets of what parents can provide. Some parents simply can't provide for their children would the benafit money stops and they have to leave, others can afford to put their children up at a token cost of rent, others can afford to let their children change their car's every few months, others can let them go to a Bentley/Ferrari/Lambo dealership and tell them 'Right, here's a blank cheque, get whatever you want, oh, and pick me up something for the summer home while you're there'

I'm sure if Fox's parents could genuinely 150% afford it without batting an eye lid he would have a mint E39 M5 that he would have owned since 21, a e92 335i/M3 as a daily driver, would be right square on top of the waiting list for a F10 M5 and he wouldn't be complaining one bit. Providing what they can should be the goal of any parent

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sigma · 8 May 2011 at 00:25

Joshy said:
It's just adjusting to different brackets of what parents can provide. Some parents simply can't provide for their children would the benafit money stops and they have to leave, others can afford to put their children up at a token cost of rent, others can afford to let their children change their car's every few months, others can let them go to a Bentley/Ferrari/Lambo dealership and tell them 'Right, here's a blank cheque, get whatever you want, oh, and pick me up something for the summer home while you're there'

I'm sure if Fox's parents could genuinely 150% afford it without batting an eye lid he would have a mint E39 M5 that he would have owned since 21, a e92 335i/M3 as a daily driver, would be right square on top of the waiting list for a F10 M5 and he wouldn't be complaining one bit. Providing what they can should be the goal of any parent .

How can you jump to so many conclusions?

You're assuming that all people think the same way.

Joshy · 8 May 2011 at 00:27

sigma said:
You're assuming that all people think the same way.

People do think the same way.

You might want to think that we're all entirely individual unique beings, but we aren't

[TW]Fox · 8 May 2011 at 00:27

This is where we differ in opinions I guess. I don't think providing everything they can should be the goal - providing enough to help the children ACHEIVE what they can is the goal.

My parents have helped me by ensuring I can have the education I wanted (Although I paid my own Uni fees, too, albeit it using the paltry student loan entitlement at the time

). If I now want a 335i or whatever it's up to me to earn the money to buy it even though they could quite easily buy one for me if they wanted to. But why would they want to and why would I want to accept such an offer?

See the example I gave of my first car. Do you honestly think my Dad could only afford to give me 600 quid towards a Xantia as my first car? Don't be daft, he could have bought a new C5 if he wanted but what really would that have acheived? Nothing - the way he went about it meant that, aged 17, I'd worked to earn money, and used that to buy myself a car. I was proper chuffed, and I had a physical reminder of the value of work. It was also mine - my money was in that car, so I looked after it like it was worth all the money in the world, because to me, it was! I'd just spent a huge amount of money for a 17 year old college student who worked saturdays in a shop. I like to think it meant I took a lot more care of it.

sigma · 8 May 2011 at 00:28

Joshy said:
People do think the same way.

You might want to think that we're all entirely individual unique beings, but we aren't

LOL must be the cider talking now.

My parents income had absolutely no impact on the choice of my first car.

I bought it myself with my own money.