Supplements the debate/discussion thread

'Wes · 17 May 2011 at 12:03

LiE said:
They do yes. I believe EAAs contain BCAAs with a few extra Aminos to help protein synthesis.

So why do people buy BCAA's over EAA's?

MoNkeE · 17 May 2011 at 12:56

So is there any reason to take BCAAs over EAAs?

Edit:
Whoops, loaded this page then popped out for Lunch, and Wes has asked the exact same question

LiE · 17 May 2011 at 13:00

I'm not sure really, lots of talk about on various forums.

Freefaller · 17 May 2011 at 14:09

BCAAs are better peri work out, EAAs are best pre and post work out generally.

Furthermore, BCAAs exist in pill forms which is much more pleasant than that of EAAs putrid taste.

If you want the definition of hell...

EAAs & OAKG mixed together... yuck.

cheets64 · 17 May 2011 at 15:03

Do you really need to take supplements, I mean can you achieve a decent size and weight loss without all these chemicals and laboratory produce powders.

Do they help progress or make just make it easier than eating protein meats/veg all the time

Freefaller · 17 May 2011 at 15:10

Of course. I seldom take supps. And order 2kg of protein 2 maybe 3 times a year tops.

cheets64 · 17 May 2011 at 15:29

I cant afford all these sups at the moment so going, au naturel, will post back with results in the future, also heard its not great for the kidneys taking a lot of supps.

'Wes · 17 May 2011 at 15:31

cheets64 said:
I cant afford all these sups at the moment so going, au naturel, will post back with results in the future, also heard its not great for the kidneys taking a lot of supps.

That's protein as far as i'm aware.

regulus · 17 May 2011 at 15:50

cheets64 said:
Do you really need to take supplements, I mean can you achieve a decent size and weight loss without all these chemicals and laboratory produce powders.

Do they help progress or make just make it easier than eating protein meats/veg all the time

Not at all. I purely take them when I have no time to eat. I take about a shake a day. The rest of the time I just eat. It's mostly a convenience thing, food is better.

icecold · 17 May 2011 at 16:02

cheets64 said:
I cant afford all these sups at the moment so going, au naturel, will post back with results in the future, also heard its not great for the kidneys taking a lot of supps.

Whey is one of the cheapest forms of protein, so good luck with that

Also, it's quite hard to overload your kidneys unless you have a pre-existing problem.

LiE · 17 May 2011 at 16:08

Supplements have their place. If you are eating really well and training as hard as you can, adding in a few supplements can really help with this like focus, recovery, energy levels and making sure you don't lose any of the hard earned muscle.

cheets64 · 17 May 2011 at 18:39

icecold said:
Whey is one of the cheapest forms of protein, so good luck with that

Freefaller · 17 May 2011 at 21:01

LiE said:
Supplements have their place. If you are eating really well and training as hard as you can, adding in a few supplements can really help with this like focus, recovery, energy levels and making sure you don't lose any of the hard earned muscle.

Agreed they have their place, but shouldn't be relied on IMO,

Cheets, whilst nailing your diet is the best way, but icecold is right, lb for £ whey is the cheapest way of getting protein in your diet.

MoNkeE · 17 May 2011 at 22:14

FF, I wonder if that'll still be the case given rise to the 15% increase of cost with whey now......? Could be that supermarket frozen chicken breast starts to become more cost effective.....?!

Mansize_tissue · 17 May 2011 at 22:21

Pea protein is still the cheapest as far as I know at £25 for 5kg.

Freefaller · 17 May 2011 at 22:29

MoNkeE said:
FF, I wonder if that'll still be the case given rise to the 15% increase of cost with whey now......? Could be that supermarket frozen chicken breast starts to become more cost effective.....?!

Good point - never bought in bulk - but certainly somewhere like costco may turn out cheaper.

Cristian · 17 May 2011 at 22:44

pea protein does not have the same biologic value...

MoNkeE, even with the price increase, It will still be cheaper.

Plus I'm not sure if that cheapstake frozen chicken breast (with added dextose) that comes from chickens that spent their whole life in cages using anything but normal food to get them big as soon as possible actually IS better than whey...

Mansize_tissue · 17 May 2011 at 23:18

Cristian said:
pea protein does not have the same biologic value..

Aye true you'll have to consume more, but gram for gram of protein absorbed it's still a little cheaper given the price increases.

Interestingly I just found out that the BV of whey drops to around 70 when you're taking more than 0.5g/kg. Does anyone know if this holds for other protein sources too?

Psycho Sonny · 17 May 2011 at 23:42

im not so sure about whey being the cheapest, how much is 24 eggs in asda? and how many grams of protein to the £ do you get with the cheapest eggs from asda and say the cheapest FLAVOURED whey protein from myprotein.

regulus · 18 May 2011 at 05:21

But you're unlikely to carry eggs with you for a quick protein fix. Whey at MP is hardly expensive at £32 incl delivery for a 2.5kg bag and would last you for at least 2 months if taken conservatively and when absolutely cannot be helped. Maybe even 3 months. Personally I have no choice as my job takes me travelling and carrying food is not always practical. Whey fills the spot handily and only when needed.