30th of June strikes.

i never understood this mentality, if you dont like your pay and conditions why dont you quit and find a better deal for your time?
 
My wifes a civil servant she has had a pay freeze for a while now and when she starts ranting about her wages she says she has had a pay cut because she has not had an pay increase to match inflation!!! God forbid if she ever joins the real world.

Does inflation not effect people in the real world like?

:confused:
 
i never understood this mentality, if you dont like your pay and conditions why dont you quit and find a better deal for your time?

The long line of unemployed.

It's also not that simple.

My colleague has 30 years service, and 10 years to retire.

Throw all that away? Would you, really?

Or would you at least show you aren't pleased?
 
The long line of unemployed.

It's also not that simple.

My colleague has 30 years service, and 10 years to retire.

Throw all that away? Would you, really?

Or would you at least show you aren't pleased?

Write them a very angry letter telling them just how angry you are.
 
Hmm, that wasn't a response I was expecting.

Ok, so assuming pension=salary then it's ok to unilaterally reduce salary?

Depends what you define as ok. There are certainly situations where reducing salaries is justifiable, such as when salary or total compensation dramatically outstrips the market valuation of the role and therefore there is large unnecessary costs as a result (either to pass on to customers or taxpayers).

There are also situations where salary reduction might be one cost saving option to be considered with other things such as outsourcing or redundancies also on the table.

The problem wiht much of the public sector is that the job markets are not allowed to be competitive due to a single effective employer and collective bargaining on a national scale, which damages both the efficiencies of the business and the rights of the staff, and may explain why they are more strike prone than everyone else. The solution to this, of course, is public sector reform, but the unions always oppose any sort of reform, so it is somewhat confusing...

I will say, for an intransient government refusing to negotiate, they seem willing to make concessions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jun/17/pensions-concession-low-paid-workers

I can't really see anything in that that is unreasonable, especially as Alexander is stating that current accrued benefits will remain...
 
I will say, for an intransient government refusing to negotiate, they seem willing to make concessions.

Unions were also taken aback by the non-negotiable announcement before talks have concluded.

Again, it's dictation not negotiation.

If they negotiate towards the average salary, say £25k then I think we'll see some movement. £15k is barely above the minimum wage and it's less than Boris Johnsons London living wage and still less than the national living wage - if thats a concession then it's an insulting one.
 
Again, it's dictation not negotiation.

Surely the same applies to unions annoucing strike action while discussions are still ongoing? Either both sides are being unreasonable or neither are.

If they negotiate towards the average salary, say £25k then I think we'll see some movement. £15k is barely above the minimum wage and it's less than Boris Johnsons London living wage and still less than the national living wage - if thats a concession then it's an insulting one.

I don't know, imagine the increase in costs for those earning over the average wage to keep the changes cost neutral...
 
I don't know, imagine the increase in costs for those earning over the average wage to keep the changes cost neutral...

Ah yes, but setting it at £15k wont make the divide and rule very effective ;)
 
sack em thiers plenty of people looking for jobs.

I'd definately sack your English teacher ...

It seems quite simple to me: my wife and my friend are both teachers. When they accepted their jobs they signed on for the pension scheme. After 15 years of investing the Government now want to scrap their deal and replace it. How can this be fair? Irrespective of whether or not their pension and final pay scheme was overly generous or not, it doesn't matter. It was agreed to and should be legally binding. How would you feel if you'd been paying into a private pension and was told that you were no longer entitled to the amount agreed and would have it removed (ignoring the issue of the usual growth / loss of the markets).

I can see the fairness in changing the scheme for all teachers who are about to sign up / future teachers as they will be agreeing to that before signing on the dotted line.
 
First i've heard of this, and the school i work at is working till the end of term like normal.
 
Live in the real world..strikers.

Labour spent too much of our money on crap. We need to recoup this back.

I'll throw my pension investment in if you do too. Which is essentially what you're asking teachers to do.

I'll tell you how the Government will NOT to recoup your money - doing ridiculous things like selling off Northern Rock for a £400 Million loss just so they can remove a greater loss from their books in time for their Party Conference, instead of milking it for a profit. Especially since WE paid for it.
 
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