Luring 4 masked men??? Really?
Suspected burglar stabbed to death by homeowner
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Luring 4 masked men??? Really?
Why of course? The presumption of innocence applies to the suspects so why do the police presume that a crime has been committed? Surely they should establish the facts before accusing people of serious crimes?
They can find out the facts and take forensics without arresting someone, in fact I always thought the police needed reasonable grounds for suspicion before arresting anyone.
Id pretty much stab all of you at the drop of a hat if i felt threatened . Doctor says as long as i take the pills you are safe.. Prescription runs out on Saturday.
Fortunately i have not been in this situation but im REASONABLY sure that i would not attempt to kill someone unless my life was in certain peril. More so than having my DVD player nicked.
Fortunately i have not been in this situation but im REASONABLY sure that i would not attempt to kill someone unless my life was in certain peril. More so than having my DVD player nicked.
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Oh, okay. So every burglar who leads a masked raid on someone's home was subjected to systematic physical, psychological and emotional abuse every day of their lives. I see. Suddenly, not having a good, decent upbringing no longer merely encompasses loveless, violent, lawless, drink and drug-swamped bedsit existences (is that simply normal, then, these days?) but full-blown daily ABUSE. Apologies if I misunderstood.
While I do admit to being a particularly cold invididual, I also think you could benefit from toning down your emotions a little on this particular topic. You don't help your point when all you're saying is "I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND YOU DON'T!"
Hyperbole such as the above is all that occurs in those situations.
I'm sure they won't be charged for murder as they would never be able to argue that it was a planned killing. Unless it comes out in the woodwork that they tied the person up and stabbed him but if there was a struggle as they were tresspassing it would be manslaughter.
I will wait for more of this story to come out as how comes all 3 people have been detained? Either way can you imagine 4 masked men trying to break into your home? of course you'd grab the most readily avaliable weapon to defend your family members.
I will wait for more of this story to come out as how comes all 3 people have been detained? Either way can you imagine 4 masked men trying to break into your home? of course you'd grab the most readily avaliable weapon to defend your family members.
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I don't agree that you should be able to stab someone to death simply for breaking into your house. However this was four men, late at night, in a rough area, wearing balaclavas. I wouldn't blame the owner for expecting the worst.
Is he really expected to sit back a find out what they going to do before he defends himself and the rest of the people in the house? If he only stabbed the bugler once, I’d consider this reasonable force under the circumstances.
Is he really expected to sit back a find out what they going to do before he defends himself and the rest of the people in the house? If he only stabbed the bugler once, I’d consider this reasonable force under the circumstances.
UTTER UTTER nonsense, you clearly know nothing about the law on this
Educate me. Even if it isn't deemed 'murder', the killer will still serve time generally?
They have a dead body, of course they are going to be arrested till facts are confirmed.
So you think they should. Leave a potential killed on the streets?
Arrested does not mean guilty, it doesn't even mean they will be charged or go to court.
It is totally the right course of action, to treat it as murder and arrest everyone. Then when everything is confirmed be released. How do you want. It to work.
Really people think they shouldn't be arrested boogles the mind.
4 masked men break into your house, at that point you don't know anything about them. You don't have time to sit down, interview them, look into there background, find out there motives and there plans. You also don't have a time and probability machine to see what happens if you do one thing or another. There is no quick save/load function available...your left with what's happening, 4 masked men breaking into your house.
The adrenalin stars pumping, that's it, it's fight or flight, you grab a knife you thrust, maybe you hit, maybe you don't, do you care? No, they could be armed, you remove the threat. What if you don't? What if you graze him and he comes back at you with a knife himself? You lost your only opertunity. What if he runs off, he could come back and that won't do, your still not thinking straight, so you run after him.
We aren't talking about reason, your in a panic, adrenalin is working, your brain is working with it's lower functions.
They made the choice, they did so in the cold light of day, they had chance to think about what they did, the person getting burgled didn't.
Unless your trained and your body and mind are used to this kind of thing where you can keep your decisions in the higher levels of your brain your going to do what comes naturally, your going to protect yourself, be that running away or fighting and damn those that get in the way.
All that said, the police are just following procedure, find out what happened and then make a decision.
The adrenalin stars pumping, that's it, it's fight or flight, you grab a knife you thrust, maybe you hit, maybe you don't, do you care? No, they could be armed, you remove the threat. What if you don't? What if you graze him and he comes back at you with a knife himself? You lost your only opertunity. What if he runs off, he could come back and that won't do, your still not thinking straight, so you run after him.
We aren't talking about reason, your in a panic, adrenalin is working, your brain is working with it's lower functions.
They made the choice, they did so in the cold light of day, they had chance to think about what they did, the person getting burgled didn't.
Unless your trained and your body and mind are used to this kind of thing where you can keep your decisions in the higher levels of your brain your going to do what comes naturally, your going to protect yourself, be that running away or fighting and damn those that get in the way.
All that said, the police are just following procedure, find out what happened and then make a decision.
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Completely different circumstances based on the information" we have at the moment, "A suspected burglar has been stabbed to death while apparently trying to break into a house in Greater Manchester." He wasn't stabbed whilst attacking the home owner from what we know at the moment.
Prob not aimed at me but just to clarify...
They should have been arrested and the incident should be investigated. However if it does turn out to be as most people are assuming (Real burglar, defense of house/family) then he should be given a medal.
Ugh, disgusts me. This is why people and their bloody human rights annoy me so much.
People are prepared to violate the human rights of others, but as soon as their own rights are violated they can always rely on good old fashioned stupid law to protect them and serve them their full list of human rights. And there will invariably be some lefty telling us all how "their right to life is the most important of all", yeah well get stuffed. Give them that right then, but don't forget to give them their freedom to go commit the same crime again as well. Oh and when they get out of prison, let them do it several more times for good measure.
Friggin ridiculous. I don't even care whether the burglars were armed or not, either way the whole ordeal could be traumatising for those in the property. Say it was kids and they were awake when they all broke in. That could scare the living daylights out of them for years, they'd have all sorts of sleeping problems etc.
These people absolutely disgust me, and the people who support them disgust me just as much.
People are prepared to violate the human rights of others, but as soon as their own rights are violated they can always rely on good old fashioned stupid law to protect them and serve them their full list of human rights. And there will invariably be some lefty telling us all how "their right to life is the most important of all", yeah well get stuffed. Give them that right then, but don't forget to give them their freedom to go commit the same crime again as well. Oh and when they get out of prison, let them do it several more times for good measure.
Friggin ridiculous. I don't even care whether the burglars were armed or not, either way the whole ordeal could be traumatising for those in the property. Say it was kids and they were awake when they all broke in. That could scare the living daylights out of them for years, they'd have all sorts of sleeping problems etc.
These people absolutely disgust me, and the people who support them disgust me just as much.
Yep and ATM they haven been charged, they are being questioned as they should be, that is all.
And if propel would read on, it's exactly what the police are doing.
If you see men donning balaclavas trying to break into your house - you're bloody well going to feel threatened. I imagine you would probably fear for your life, I certainly would. Burglar got what he deserved. /thread
For the people saying the law should be brought against the homeowner, imagine how you would feel if 4 masked men were trying to smash your back window in and you had vulnerable family members or even children inside. I think anyone would defend themselves and family to any extent - You're going to neutralise the threat as fast as possible before you lose the oppurtunity and you or your family members lose their life.
For the people saying the law should be brought against the homeowner, imagine how you would feel if 4 masked men were trying to smash your back window in and you had vulnerable family members or even children inside. I think anyone would defend themselves and family to any extent - You're going to neutralise the threat as fast as possible before you lose the oppurtunity and you or your family members lose their life.
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Has that happened yet, your jumping the gun here. They haven't been charged, they aren't in court. They have been arrested. Becuase they stabbed someone and until the facts are found that is the only way to handle it. If they used reasonable force and they where burglars they will be released.
Again, why is it so obvious to you that they should be arrested for a crime before it has even been established that a crime has occurred?
I guess the accused called the Police and a stabby weapon was found at the scene along with blood ofc...