Suspected burglar stabbed to death by homeowner

scorza · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:23

RDM said:
You would prefer for the people to be questioned without the presence of a solicitor?

People give statements to and answer questions from the police without a solicitor present all the time.

Evilsod · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:24

I read this thread title and thought it sounded a bit bloody excessive...

...then I read the part concerning the 'balaclava clad gang' and thought he got what he ****ing deserved. If it was 1 person then stabbing him to death if he's unarmed was probably excessive, but 4 of them? He did what he had to do to deter them from continuing to try and break in. Hopefully it all blows over and they catch the other 3 and send them down for attempted burglary or somet.

vorticalspace · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:26

AcidHell2 said:
how are people overlooking it? I think only one person said killing isn't right what ever the circumstances.

It's simply irrelevant ATM as they haven't been charged.

Sorry if you misunderstood my meaning

I'm just suggesting that most home owners coming face to face with intruders would be nervous, anxious, scared, protective etc

If for example somebody broke into my house at night with my wife,kids in bed etc
firstly, would I be thinking rationally....I would suggest highly unlikely
Would I be scared.......definitely
How would I react.......I have no idea :eek:

The point being, under extreme duress, humans react in surprising ways

RDM · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:28

scorza said:
People give statements to and answer questions from the police without a solicitor present all the time.

When it is possible that they have commited a very serious offense? Considering your contempt of the police surely you would prefer to be interviewed with a solicitor present if it was you in this situation?

kaffe · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:30

As disgusted as I am, I'm not shocked. There was once a man who broke into someone's house while the family were on holiday, but slipped while breaking in through a window and broke his leg and couldn't move. When the family came back, he proceeded to sue on the terms that "the family hadn't left any food in the house while on holiday and he nearly starved".

Ahem...

PermaChanged · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:32

kaffe said:
As disgusted as I am, I'm not shocked. There was once a man who broke into someone's house while the family were on holiday, but slipped while breaking in through a window and broke his leg and couldn't move. When the family came back, he proceeded to sue on the terms that "the family hadn't left any food in the house while on holiday and he nearly starved".

Ahem...

He wouldn't have a leg to stand on :

kaffe · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:35

Rusty_Noob said:
He wouldn't have a leg to stand on :

Cleeecooo · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:35

Robbo said:
I say good on the homeowner
The burglar got what he deserved, scumbag.

+1

Shayper said:
Jesus, not again. The law defending the perpetrator, not the victim. Disgusting..

It's really ****ed up system

Werewolf · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:39

Cleeecooo said:
+1

It's really ****ed up system

Not really.

At the moment the Police don't know what happened, thus they treat it as a Murder until they've got more info.

Doing anything less would mean that murders would be more likely to go unpunished/unsolved - treating it as a murder gives them the manpower to do the investigation properly, otherwise it's taking one persons word with the risk of losing important evidence.

badcompany · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:41

scorza · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:42

RDM said:
When it is possible that they have commited a very serious offense? Considering your contempt of the police surely you would prefer to be interviewed with a solicitor present if it was you in this situation?

Damn straight and I'll give you an example. I was watching one of those cop shows a few weeks ago, there was a serious accident on the M23 that unfortunately resulted in someone losing their life. Police on the scene interviewed several people as witnesses at the road side, including the driver who was at fault, before arresting him for dangerous driving (later death by dangerous driving) i.e. they waiting until they had reasonable grounds to believe that a crime - dangerous driving - had occurred.

Under your rules the police would have had to arrest all the witnesses for dangerous driving, taken them down the police station and interviewed them in the presence of a solicitor and then releasing them once they were sure they hadn't committed a crime. Can you imagine the witnesses being pleased at being treated like that? I'm not sure "at least you get a free solicitor" would have been much consolation to them.

Vonhelmet · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:43

scorza said:
Damn straight and I'll give you an example. I was watching one of those cop shows a few weeks ago, there was a serious accident on the M23 that unfortunately resulted in someone losing their life. Police on the scene interviewed several people as witnesses at the road side, including the driver who was at fault, before arresting him for dangerous driving (later death by dangerous driving) i.e. they waiting until they had reasonable grounds to believe that a crime - dangerous driving - had occurred.

Under your rules the police would have had to arrest all the witnesses for dangerous driving, taken them down the police station and interviewed them in the presence of a solicitor and then releasing them once they were sure they hadn't committed a crime. Can you imagine the witnesses being pleased at being treated like that? I'm not sure "at least you get a free solicitor" would have been much consolation to them.

I'm not sure how your logic works out that they would have to arrest everyone.

DTWD · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:44

vorticalspace said:
Sorry if you misunderstood my meaning

I'm just suggesting that most home owners coming face to face with intruders would be nervous, anxious, scared, protective etc

If for example somebody broke into my house at night with my wife,kids in bed etc
firstly, would I be thinking rationally....I would suggest highly unlikely
Would I be scared.......definitely
How would I react.......I have no idea

The point being, under extreme duress, humans react in surprising ways

Look at page 5 (I think) at my post. I am thinking along the same lines as you.

Glaucus · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:45

For further questioning. Dear lord you have no sense of logic do you.

kaffe · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:45

Rusty_Noob said:
He wouldn't have a leg to stand on :

OH and he won.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:47

Robbo said:
The press seem to be all over this one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13885457

I say good on the homeowner, but no doubt he'll get royally shafted because of this. What the hell are you supposed to do in this situation?

The burglar got what he deserved, scumbag.

Shayper said:
Jesus, not again. The law defending the perpetrator, not the victim. Disgusting..

Pigeon_Killer said:
Treating it as murder? Should be given a medal for ridding the world of another piece of scum.

No the law is investigating.

Seriously you are saying if a man stabs someone to death then says
"he was trying to break in" the police should just go "ok well we'll take your word for that sir, no need to investigate here"

Seriously?

Vonhelmet · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:47

kaffe said:
OH and he won.

Got a link?

Robbo · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:48

Tefal said:
Seriously?

I never said that.

scorza · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:49

vonhelmet said:
I'm not sure how your logic works out that they would have to arrest everyone.

Police can't question anyone without a solicitor present apparently.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2011 at 16:49

shifty_uk said:
Rightly so. Difference being the law will win in the end, the chap will be sent down for murder and there's nothing us lot arguing about it will do.

last home owner who stabbed a bugler to death was found innocent.

Of course that was reported only online in a tiny article while the "hero home-owner arrested" was plastered around the front pages for weeks.