You want more than someone who's just 'not a liability' though; at the level Arsenal are playing at you want someone commanding the defence and who will make saves that save points and I just don't see either of them doing those things.
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How have Corinthians found the monies for Tevez? Thats a lot to stump up to be fair for a brazilian side.
Fabianski is a liability. Szchezny is the best Arsenal keeper imo.
Fabianski is a liability. Szchezny is the best Arsenal keeper imo.
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Absolutely. I think the main problem as well is that Wenger asks the full backs to be in front of the centre backs a lot of the time, so when our opposition breaks on us it's usually only two centre backs plus Song who are in the way to halt the attack, the flanks are horribly exposed as it is, and then when you have midfielders playing at left back it makes matters worse.
It's a bit of a problem area I think, but with nobody to really stand up and tell Wenger these things I doubt anything will be done about it though in all honesty as long as we keep our best players now and add a defensive midfielder and another creative midfielder I'd be happy. I think the majority of last seasons defensive frailties were down to our best defender being injured, and with two new CB's joining the team that year there was always going to be a bedding in period. Maybe the defensive drills can be run by somebody else as well but I think this year will be much better than last.
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Ive always liked the look of Hamsik, and he;s been mentioned previously. Remains to be seen what price they put on him though. Someones going to have to take a punt on Nzogbia at some point too...Not saying it shoudl necessarily be us, but if you conclude that Cleverly is okay to contend for a spot in our midfield, well, Nzogbia is twice the player, maybe 3 times so why not just have him instead?
I spent four years there - I wouldnt go back again unless I had to(but then Im not driven by sporting success either)
Sneijder didnt have a choice about leaving Spain though, and while the Inter team is somewhere there, its questionable exactly how good they are.
IF you are a fan of the club the location shouldnt matter as much as it seems to (for Jonny Foreigner anyway)
Im taking that Vanity Fair thing with a pinch of salt. July issue that probably hit the news stands a month ago and probably written mid May. Crikey, I remember getting PC Format Xmas special in the middle of October
So today you've come to the conclusion that;
De Gea shouldn't be in goal
Rooney should be in midfield
N'Zogbia should presumably partner him
Oh and Crouch should be up front
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Szczesny has already been taking command of the penalty area a lot better than previously. Save for the massive balls up in the Carling Cup. The type of goalkeeper you're talking about will probably cost upwards of £10,000,000 and we all know Wenger is never going to spend that.
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Well, only if you read between th lines, what i actually said is that De Gea is unproven at the top level. That rooney could well do a job in midfield, and we can more easily buy a great heading attacker of the ball, like Falcao, to give us that option to work in synergy with our vast ranks of wingers.
That Nzogbia is miles better than Cleverly, and that Crouch isnt as bad as you think!
Not a bad days work that!
That Nzogbia is miles better than Cleverly, and that Crouch isnt as bad as you think!
Not a bad days work that!
Because Nzogbia plays as a Left Back, Left Wing Back Left sided midfielder, exactly the position we don't need to fill
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So does Park and so did giggs. But looky what happened there? Im sure he could do a job in the middle, he brings a lot of energy.
So does Craig Bellamy but again not the kind of player we need either. Charles Nzogbia, good player in average teams, no thanks.
Over the last 5 years the wages bill of the top 4 are:
Chelsea: £760 million
Man Utd: £555 million
Arsenal: £489 million
Liverpool: £455 million
So there is still a £65 million wage difference between Arsenal and Man Utd over 5 years...add in transfers and that's a round 200 million extra spending over 5 years. And Chelsea have spent near enough 3/4 of a billion pounds more than Arsenal over 5 years - with 10/11 spending with Torres etc that could be a billion already
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They need somebody more creative. Joe Cole! 
It's funny how Arsenal are the only club to get into **** for doing exactly what Wenger is alleging other clubs are doing
It's funny how Arsenal are the only club to get into **** for doing exactly what Wenger is alleging other clubs are doing
Bloody Hell...Keeps going back and forth
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-Utd-eye-record-35m-Wesley-Sneijder-deal.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-Utd-eye-record-35m-Wesley-Sneijder-deal.html
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the brazilian league is now getting extremely powerful, they actually have some of the best players playing over there.
fabiano, adriano, ronaldhino, deco, elano, liedson, alex, neymar
some of them are in decline but fabiano, ronaldhino and deco could walk into most teams. if someone could get adriano back on track he would walk into most teams too.
theres a lot of people who live in brazil and they have been producing a lot of amazing players. couple that with extremely low wages, they probably make huge profits.
take neymar for example if he sells for £30 million plus, that will probably pay the clubs wages for the next 10 years. pure profit.
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If you believe the mounting rumours, villa will accept liverpools latest bid for downing (purported to be £18.5m) and he will likely complete his move tomorrow/wednesday.
I think we need to revert to that now.
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Because Nzogbia plays as a Left Back, Left Wing Back Left sided midfielder, exactly the position we don't need to fill
He already has, he played in the middle more in the Cesc role for several games for Newcastle, when someone was injured IIRC, and was very good, he also switches to the right wing all the time in a game, and really gets everywhere. He's not unable to play anywhere but the left, he can be defensive, or very offensive, you could probably play him as a DM, or maybe a slightly more defensive central midfield, left/right wing, left/right back.
Thats why I've always thought it was mental a top 4 club didn't pick him up sooner, the versatility of O'shea, but you know, with actual talent.
Over the last 5 years the wages bill of the top 4 are:
Chelsea: £760 million
Man Utd: £555 million
Arsenal: £489 million
Liverpool: £455 million
So there is still a £65 million wage difference between Arsenal and Man Utd over 5 years...add in transfers and that's a round 200 million extra spending over 5 years. And Chelsea have spent near enough 3/4 of a billion pounds more than Arsenal over 5 years - with 10/11 spending with Torres etc that could be a billion already
Yes the point was, those numbers don't look ANYTHING like the transfer numbers, at all, and yet, uh oh, look at that top 4 in spending, and who has done how well.
Anyway as I said, 16 teams in the league spend 70mil or so down to around 25mil, the other 4 top teams spend 100-200mil, the extra 30 makes a huge difference, the extra 100 is bad business, nothing more or less.
Utd have spent, what 13mil more a year over Arsenal, yet raked in massively more in sponsorship, winnings, advertising, etc, etc. Its well spent, and really not dwarfing us an an amount we can't afford.
Without true transparency in all money in football with rules say making everyone release full numbers for everything who knows what the wage figures we see actually mean. Image rights, Arsenal have few big name stars and image rights wise, frankly the kind of money a Rooney, Beckham, Ronaldo, or Terry/Lampard types would dwarf the money that Djourou brings in.
IE if we are being honest and other teams are(other than Wenger saying this theres literally no proof of that) its fairly easy to be honest when the difference would be very small for Arsenal. Anyway, image rights are just that, the wage a player gets for actually playing football is a good standard to compare.
Anyway back to my whole point of, look at Arsenal for what 6 years before Chelsea got lots of money.
Utd and Arsenal if they were averaging 15th in the league and had to rebuy their teams today would both pay through the roof silly amounts, thats life, they'd be handing out 150-250k a week wages to persuade RVP/Fabregas/Rooney to join such a low team.
Pretending its all standard and that Arsenal are doing better than everyone else because their transfer spending is so low is, dumb. City are paying through the roof in both wages and fee's because everyone knows they can get money out of them. Arsenal were the 2nd top team and play the "we don't pay big wages" card so people don't hold them to ransom, if we got a billonaire owner and spent £100mil in one transfer window, we'd never be able to get away with that again.
With a squad like Arsenal's and a wage spending like we have, the top 4/5 now all are in with a shout at the title, Utd had some utter tripe in their team this year vs other years. Spending 50% more wages than say 6-9th place, and then people saying Arsenal did brilliantly, is just ridiculous.
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