Ramadan Mubarak

Some do pick and choose. but it just don't work that way. You can't be a half Muslim, only practisng thing you think thats suffciant.

Why the **** not? Is it not up to the individual how they choose to observe rules/customs?

It's all bull**** anyway - so what's the big deal if someone doesn't feel like observing a "rule" or two?
 
Why the **** not? Is it not up to the individual how they choose to observe rules/customs?

It's all bull**** anyway - so what's the big deal if someone doesn't feel like observing a "rule" or two?

It is up to the individial to observe and practise. Not to to be the opposite. Yes in this life will get away. Not after that. ;)

People like you see it as Bull**** and don't appreciate other religious aspects.
 
Why the **** not? Is it not up to the individual how they choose to observe rules/customs?

It's all bull**** anyway - so what's the big deal if someone doesn't feel like observing a "rule" or two?

If you don't follow all the 'rules' then what is the point in believing it all in the first place? Why pick and chose?

I'm technically Catholic, but in my mid to late 20's I realised just how much of a bull**** parade religion really is, and part of that realisation came from seeing people pick and chose what they like from the religion and realising just what a farce it all is.

But hey, each to their own, and however I feel about religion myself I do respect people for being able to commit to their beliefs and follow them through like the fasting of Ramadan :)
 
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If you don't follow all the 'rules' then what is the point in believing it all in the first place? Why pick and chose?

I'm technically Catholic, but in my mid to late 20's I realised just how much of a bull**** parade religion really is, and part of that realisation came from seeing people pick and chose what they like from the religion and realising just what a farce it all is.

But hey, each to their own, and however I feel about religion myself I do respect people for being able to commit to their beliefs and follow them through like the fasting of Ramadan :)

Just like christianity, Islam doesnt have to be hard and fast. A huge percentage of Christians don't necessarily believe in Jesus or God or Intelligent Design but still follow the moral guidance and outlook of the religion.

Many Muslims may well forgo fasting, but still take the time during Ramadan to host Iftar for those less fortunate, give to charity or merely give up on those things which may be deemed a luxury such as cigarettes, whilst still drinking water.

People are at liberty to follow their beliefs to whatever degree they want. Even in Islam.
 
How does Ramadan effect humanity?

Starving yourself is bad for you... religion forcing it upon people is ridiculous.

Especially during the height of summer when people see it as you're not supposed to even have a glass of water during daylight hours... that's bad for you (surprise)!
 
Starving yourself is bad for you... religion forcing it upon people is ridiculous.

Especially during the height of summer when people see it as you're not supposed to even have a glass of water during daylight hours... that's bad for you (surprise)!

Yeah, because it's devastating to go without food for 14hrs at a stretch :rolleyes:

Where exactly do you get your information from? And how much do you weigh, that not constantly gorging yourself would appear to be a serious health risk to you?
 
Yeah, because it's devastating to go without food for 14hrs at a stretch :rolleyes:

Where exactly do you get your information from? And how much do you weigh, that not constantly gorging yourself would appear to be a serious health risk to you?

It's over 15 hours for at least the next 8 days. You are also not allowed to drink. In London the temperatures will be in the twenties. It's not healthy to not drink anything for 15 hours when it's freezing outside, nevermind when it's 20+ outside.
 
There was a kid in my class at school who was fasting during Ramadan when one day he passed out and broke his arm in the ensuing fall.

Good luck to all of you on OcUK who are fasting! I wouldn't be able to do it.
 
If you don't follow all the 'rules' then what is the point in believing it all in the first place? Why pick and chose?

Exactly... what is the point? Oh wait... there isn't one.

I do not have a problem with people believing whatever they choose to believe. Just don't force your beliefs on others... (Jahova's witnesses are some of the worst IMO).

I have a big problem with organised religion in general though as it has caused a lot more problems than it's fixed. People's fear of death being taken advantage of...

While a reasonable proportion of this will be people who have decided to use it as an excuse... there are still things like ramadan which are just ludicrous ideas!
I'm technically Catholic, but in my mid to late 20's I realised just how much of a bull**** parade religion really is, and part of that realisation came from seeing people pick and chose what they like from the religion and realising just what a farce it all is.

But hey, each to their own, and however I feel about religion myself I do respect people for being able to commit to their beliefs and follow them through like the fasting of Ramadan :)
While I agree with the most-part... rather than respect, I pity.

Most people are too stupid/unwilling to be able to think for themselves unfortunately.

Anyone who is intelligent enough to at least consider the options, conclude that there must be some form of intelligent design and follow any religion they may have chosen... they deserve my respect.



People have a right to believe what they choose... if they want to follow some weird amalgamation of 50% christianity, 50% muslim... even though the basic principles are relatively similar... fair play to them... pick and choose as they see fit, it really doesn't make any difference.

If they make this decision and it has no negative effect on others... there's no problem.



While not religious myself... I still try to follow some basic human rules that are portraid by most religions while not worshipping an imaginary friend.
 
I believe that you can forgo the fast if you are travelling, or going through particular hardship.
However, I imagine the process of Ramadan and associated prayer can bring a lot of inner strength to the participants and this may help overcome the lack of food and liquid during the day. I suppose it can be compared with people having immense strength when needed (baby under a car, for example).
There are plenty of occurances when Muslim sportsman have played during Ramadan and their performance has been excellent.

yeah good luck to all the muslim countries in the olympics :roll eyes:
 
Ramadhan mubaraka!!! :D

I spent the last year in Saudi for Umrah for 5 weeks, now that's a epic place to be for fasting!

Insha'Allah Khair Tabarakallah, make the most of it and don't get fat :D
 
Yeah, because it's devastating to go without food for 14hrs at a stretch :rolleyes:

Where exactly do you get your information from? And how much do you weigh, that not constantly gorging yourself would appear to be a serious health risk to you?

So you're really happy to go without water for over 15 hours during the height of summer?

I'd have a nasty headache at the end of that and guess what... that headache is telling you you're de-hydrated which is bad for you... :rolleyes:

Especially bad when you consider this religion is most prevelent in hot countries (much warmer than uk)... people torturing themselves in the name of an imaginary friend.

The person (yes, person, not deity) who thought it up in the first place must have been a sadist...
 
What if, at some point in the future, an observant Muslim goes on a long space trip, so they're living in an artificial environment in which day and night are completely arbritrary and have nothing to do with the sun? Or, further ahead still, lives permanently onboard ship, or on a spacestation of some kind? What if they lived on a different planet?

From some discussions with Muslims at work I believe it depends on how they choose to observe it, some Muslims believe that it starts with sunrise and ends at sunset for the country you are in while others will observe their fasts based on the sunrise and sunset of a particular country (Saudi Arabia being the most common). I'd guess then that anyone in a position where days and nights are arbitrary would probably choose to fix on a particular location and measure their fasting time(s) against that location.

I'm obviously happy to be corrected if anyone knows more about it.
 
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