Ramadan Mubarak
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So just because it's become expected means it's ok? That's logical...
As soon as he felt faint he obviously rushed to break the 'rule'
I already have some... funnily enough they're not necessary to make a imbecilic decision to starve and de-hydrate myself.
All members of the human race are encapsulated within 'humanity', organised religion is bad for humanity... simples
Unless it was described incorrectly to me, Ramadan is performed to remind Muslims what those who are less fortunate go through - i.e. the homeless and starving. It's not on the command of God but as an act of empathy and aid understanding.
Lent in Christianity is also not a requirement of God, merely an attempt by Christians to understand the trials Jesus went through whilst wandering the desert.
I believe that if a Muslim is unable to perform the fasting then they should donate time and food to the needy. Overall the whole Ramadan process is a very community and charitable exercise which is exactly what it's meant to be, not some random order by God to punish.
The actual morality and motivation behind it is actually quite good in my opinion as a non-Muslim.
All members of the human race are encapsulated within 'humanity', organised religion is bad for humanity... simples
OK. So, I take it that you abstain from alcohol, smoking, other drugs, driving too fast, lying, etc, etc...
Indeed. Observation of lent is not commanded in the Bible.
However, Christians are commanded, or at the very least encouraged, to fast on a regular basis as part of their praying. Good luck finding any number of Christians in the West that do that...
So just because it's become expected means it's ok? That's logical...
As soon as he felt faint he obviously rushed to break the 'rule'
I already have some... funnily enough they're not necessary to make a imbecilic decision to starve and de-hydrate myself.
All members of the human race are encapsulated within 'humanity', organised religion is bad for humanity... simples
As someone who appears to not be a member of organised religion, the anger and hate you bring to others for being part of religion suggests that you are also bad for humanity. Perhaps you should become what you aspire humanity to be before demanding it of others.
This is true^
Also if you miss a day for whatever reason you can give money to the poor, or equivalent in food etc. Different parts of the world/country will do different things as it's down to tradition mainly.
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Why am I the troll, when he accused someone of 'having no balls'? In retort I said he hasn't got a brain.
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There's a simple solution... don't be a member of a silly organised religion
Ahh... become a messiah... what would be the point if people are only going to twist my views to a way that suits them and abuse the messages that are being portrayed?
I like the basic ideas of human treatment conveyed by most (all?) religions... when they become 'organised' religions they twist from human improvement to human abuse. Sticking against that and trying to communicate the basic ideas behind the abusive treatment and ideals is a bad thing?
At least I don't pretend to be something I'm not or hide my real opinions/ideas to please others... I represent myself as I am and my views as they are. I would say I have no real negative effect on anyone I come in to contact with... is sharing an opinion/view/idea now to be considered a negative effect?
I'll quote what I said earlier:
Believe what you want and share your beliefs in an honest and open discussion like this and I have no problem with anyone.
It's only when people start trying to push their imaginary nonsense on others when I start getting angry... *knock* *knock* "have you heard the good news?" *punch* (if only...)
If that really was how it was perceived by the majority of the people going through it... then it would make more sense.
Unfortunately for me... as you can see on the left of this post, I live in a place with a very high muslim community and have a few friends who observe the religion (and yes, most of them are aware of my views)... all they care about is when the sun's going to set so they can stuff their face.
For the most-part, from what I have been in contact with... there is no contemplation of what others are going through... just what the individual is going through at the time... the very essence of human selfishness.
I kind of agree with what you are saying. If you claim to believe in a certain religion you can't really pick and choose which bits you believe in. Ofcourse people have weaknesses and some will find certain things more difficult to follow then others, but Islam is a belief. If you hold that belief, you then try to follow as much as you can and it is an on going process. To actually pick and choose which parts you believe in though, is something else entirely.
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Smoking tobacco I abstain from... gross stuff
I fail to see the relevance.
I know the risks of all the above & more and yet I still choose to partake... it's not 'forced' upon me by a religion.
People generally do not have a choice when they are indoctrinated in to a religion.
The ones who have the choice are the ones who get my respect...
There's a simple solution... don't be a member of a silly organised religion
Ahh... become a messiah... what would be the point if people are only going to twist my views to a way that suits them and abuse the messages that are being portrayed?
I like the basic ideas of human treatment conveyed by most (all?) religions... when they become 'organised' religions they twist from human improvement to human abuse. Sticking against that and trying to communicate the basic ideas behind the abusive treatment and ideals is a bad thing?
At least I don't pretend to be something I'm not or hide my real opinions/ideas to please others... I represent myself as I am and my views as they are. I would say I have no real negative effect on anyone I come in to contact with... is sharing an opinion/view/idea now to be considered a negative effect?
I'll quote what I said earlier:
Believe what you want and share your beliefs in an honest and open discussion like this and I have no problem with anyone.
It's only when people start trying to push their imaginary nonsense on others when I start getting angry... *knock* *knock* "have you heard the good news?" *punch* (if only...)
The sad thing I find (in general not specifically you) is that people seem to blame religion for half the world's ills whilst ignoring that it's not religion that causes the issues, it's basic human nature. If religion didn't exist then the world wouldn't be a better place because the acts done in religion's name would instead be done for land, money, and plain old fashioned power to name a few. Religion has always been a way to moralise wrongdoing, and half the time it was to cover up the underlying nature of greed.
And to cover your points, you are behaving in the same exact manner as those who try to force organised religion down others. If you wanted honest and open you wouldn't resort to belittling or name calling. So yes, I would say what you are doing is negative, not because of what you are doing but the way you are doing it.
Anyway, to the point of this thread, good luck for Ramadan those who are observing it.
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This is just a wild observation plucked out of thin air. You don't know that and we cannot know that until religion is irradiated.
Almost all major ills in the world are down to religion, whether that is the Israel situation, the Ireland situation, September 11th, the proliferation of Aids in Africa, the systematic abuse of children in the Catholic church, the mutilation and murder of humans in middle-eastern countries, honour killings, the oppression of women in most Islamic countries, the refusal of the Catholic church to back off on the anti-family-planning agenda in Africa (which perpetuates its poverty).
We will have ills without religion, no on argues otherwise. However, one more justification removed - and the worse kind of justification. A religious man believes without a doubt he has not just the answers, but the right ones - God gave it to him. A religious man believes he can go over basic human civilisation and morality to murder and oppress, all in the name of this imaginary figure.
It's weird, it is twisted, it isn't rational and it is bent on all accounts.
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Religion is false, though. I'm not surprised people have come in here to inform Muslims of the lies that they suffer.
One of the main reason of Fasting during the month of Ramadan:
" Is to remember the Poor "
Poor people cant go out and buy a whole supermarket now can they? A begger on a sreet who has no shelter. Is begging for money cant go out and buy food or water now can they?
Third world countrys like Africa...Most of them are poor people.
How about you try being their boots and come bak to me how it feels to be starving all day no food for weeks. Walking miles for water. Drinking Bad water etc.
So when we do we are remembering that, Be happy what you have and not to take grantage of it.
