Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

Danthus · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:29

Over Clocker said:
It's true though.... That's why TSG officers are currently in the vans.

Well we mustn't upset the rioters now must we.

Biohazard · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:29

Elixir said:
Biohazard loves playing devil's advocate, I don't think there is anything behind his point other than the urge to cause debate.

And who are you exactly? Fancy that, debate on an internet forum.

You know nothing of me, and yes I find the police highly hypocritical at times for small and big things.

GreatAuk · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:30

I hope they do some awesome stuff like charging horses and then loads of beating people with sticks, it just makes watching the news so much more enjoyable! They'd better have some good aerial footage of it if they do this though - a police riot horse charge without aerial footage is like a supercar without an engine.

Elixir · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:30

Biohazard said:
And who are you exactly? Fancy that, debate on an internet forum.

You know nothing of me, and yes I find the police highly hypocritical at times for small and big things.

It doesn't matter who I am, I've read your posts for a while and it's a recurring theme.

I knew you'd like my post though, gives more reason to argue.

adscan · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:31

Over Clocker said:
Incidentally, riot officers were authorised to use "necessary force" during the last student riots. It is then up to local commanders to use their discretion. First time in a LONG time officers have not been given very specific instructions for these incidents.

I have not heard the term "necessary force" before? What legislation does that come under?

Are you getting confused with "reasonable force" ?

Biohazard · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:31

Elixir said:
It doesn't matter who I am, I've read your posts for a while and it's a recurring theme.

I knew you'd like my post though, gives more reason to argue.

No, I mean how can you be so sure of yourself and something so subjective?

I must have missed the moment you hacked into my head and downloaded my beliefs and thoughts. :rolleyes:

PMKeates · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:32

WingZero30 said:
Why should the gangs be given a chance for revenge?

I would authorise police to use full force if it came to a full shoot out. Basically police should just round up all the gangs with heavy force and give them harsh justice.

The last thing we want is a massive shoot up on our streets. The very last thing. It's all well and good to sit behind a computer screen going "I'd authorise full force", but you're commanding people to kill people. It's the worst case scenario imaginable and should be the absolute last resort, used only when it's likely that not using immediate lethal force is the more dangerous option.

The best outcome possible is a neutering of the riots with as little force as possible. The best way to stop all-out warfare against the police is for the police not to be reactionary, and instead act as an almost non-violet blocking force. If the police use violence it just fuels the rioters and gives them reason and drive to do even worse in revenge.

Nogimmix · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:33

Get the water cannons in - we need to stop pussyfooting around and hit them!!

UK-AL05 · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:33

Anyone see that small white kid in the yellow t-shirt, put his fingers up to camera, BBC had to do an emergency camera switch =P

Danthus · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:34

PMKeates said:
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The best outcome possible is a neutering of the riots with as little force as possible. The best way to stop all-out warfare against the police is for the police not to be reactionary. If the police use violence it just fuels the rioters and gives them reason to do even worse in revenge.

What a load of tosh!

Over Clocker · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:34

OldCoals said:
Well we mustn't upset the rioters now must we.

Read what PMKeats said....

adscan · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:34

PMKeates said:
The last thing we want is a massive shoot up on our streets. The very last thing. It's all well and good to sit behind a computer screen going "I'd authorise full force", but you're commanding people to kill people. It's the worst case scenario imaginable and should be the absolute last resort, used only when it's likely that not using immediate lethal force is the more dangerous option.

The best outcome possible is a neutering of the riots with as little force as possible. The best way to stop all-out warfare against the police is for the police not to be reactionary, and instead act as an almost non-violet blocking force. If the police use violence it just fuels the rioters and gives them reason and drive to do even worse in revenge.

What planet are you living on?

Danthus · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:35

Over Clocker said:
Read what PMKeats said....

I have, the idea that the Police do not use reasonable force to deal with crime is an utter joke.

Over Clocker · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:35

I love those images of police horses cantering down the streets and people running from them

mmj_uk · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:36

PMKeates said:
Photoshop? Looks very odd to my eye!

http://www.mkeates.com/images/photoshopq.jpg

She has a similar build to the copper on the left of the picture maybe she was shopped in, must be great to be a criminal nowadays with all these overweight women and short men patrolling the streets.

White Mouse · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:36

The best thing would be to deploy the military to take care of the all the gangs in London.

Over Clocker · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:36

What's with the Jewish contingent?????!!

Locke · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:37

Jews!! What the?
Ah, not the only one who heard that..

White Mouse · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:37

PMKeates said:
The last thing we want is a massive shoot up on our streets. The very last thing. It's all well and good to sit behind a computer screen going "I'd authorise full force", but you're commanding people to kill people. It's the worst case scenario imaginable and should be the absolute last resort, used only when it's likely that not using immediate lethal force is the more dangerous option.

The best outcome possible is a neutering of the riots with as little force as possible. The best way to stop all-out warfare against the police is for the police not to be reactionary, and instead act as an almost non-violet blocking force. If the police use violence it just fuels the rioters and gives them reason and drive to do even worse in revenge.

LOL someone doesn't live in the real world.

WingZero30 · 7 Aug 2011 at 00:37

PMKeates said:
The last thing we want is a massive shoot up on our streets. The very last thing. It's all well and good to sit behind a computer screen going "I'd authorise full force", but you're commanding people to kill people. It's the worst case scenario imaginable and should be the absolute last resort, used only when it's likely that not using immediate lethal force is the more dangerous option.

The best outcome possible is a neutering of the riots with as little force as possible. The best way to stop all-out warfare against the police is for the police not to be reactionary, and instead act as an almost non-violet blocking force. If the police use violence it just fuels the rioters and gives them reason and drive to do even worse in revenge.

What I meant was that if arrests could be made without any violence, then fair enough.

However if gangs start opening fire, then police shouldn't be restrained either.