Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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Ahleckz said:
I wish the news would stop saying things like "all the police cells are full". We need to demonstrate that we have the resources and capacity to deal with this, even if we don't.
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Yeah again, that's another stickler for me with the Government an Police this morning.

Police Cells are full you say?
You've had to send people to jail cells outside London, presumably wasting Police resources to drive them there...

Well why not make a temporary holding cell, zip tie them and pack them in. This is what people want, the troublemakers arrested.
 
dirtydog said:
Exactly. If I'd done something like this, my father would have beat the crap out of me and marched me down to the police station.

Somehow I suspect many of the parents of rioters won't be doing this.
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absolutely, if I went out looting I'd need to loot myself a new place to sleep whilst I was at it because there's no way I'd be going home.
 
Water cannon are effective. They are mobile. Getting drenched usually will send most rioters home after a short period of time, you can't run or cycle about as quickly when your clothes are drenched.

More importantly, they can put out fires at long range, or stop them in the process of being started.

Also Birmingham police seem to be making progress :

1139: Birmingham police have made 133 arrests in total. There were five further arrests this morning in raids on homes where a large quantity of high value clothing was recovered.
 
Sundance said:
BTW I don't agree with this "let the police be more heavy handed" - this isn't the 17th century, haven't we learnt that brutality does no good in the long run?
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But we have a short term problem which is mass burglary, violence and arson. Worry about the long run once the initial issues have been resolved.
 
I feel for the people in the affected areas. I live a few miles away from the nearest hot spot, but even here there was a palpable sense of concern.

I agree that water cannons and rubber bullets of themselves won't do much to contain decentralised and opportunistic looting. But I think it's hard to overestimate the effect of seeing police retreating or standing by helplessly as looters set entire streets ablaze. This is what made those in the affected areas feel powerless yesterday.

Unfortunately, we tend to view the police more often than not as a source of trouble and the spectre of police brutality and the riots of the past will stay the hands of commanders and their political masters even if they were to consider harsher methods. But I'm finding it increasingly hard to understand why that must be so.

What is so objectionable about the police defending themselves (I have this clip in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIZV4YYQ2P8)? What is so wrong with the proposition that, if you use violence against the police, you will be arrested on the spot using whatever force is necessary to achieve that end?
 
englishpremier said:
There are water cannons. They just said on Radio 5. The problem is we don't have enough/any met police trained on them.
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Who said that? I understand that water cannon was mused about a couple of years ago by the Met and Manchester Police. However, they decided it was unnecessary in the end and far too expensive. They cost almost £1 million each.
 
Sundance said:
It's in Manchester? :eek:

BTW I don't agree with this "let the police be more heavy handed" - this isn't the 17th century, haven't we learnt that brutality does no good in the long run?
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Being SOFT does no good either, people get the idea they can get away with murder, being soft allows people to walk all over you and that is what the rioters are doing.
 
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