Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

[Burnsy2023]

Something like this perhaps?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/20/one-in-ten-police-on-streets

That's a hilarious report. You'll only ever have a maximum of 33% of staff on at any one time due to shift rotations, plus you have annual leave to take in to account. There is also paper work that needs to be done as the courts demand evidence shockingly enough. I find it laughable that you think a magic wand can change this. The nature of the job means you need a lot of staff.

 

[Flubble]

So what exactly are water-canons gonna do other than protect 'certain' areas by forcing the little rascals out?
Hows that gonna solve the problem and protect residence?

spray loads of water at them and drown them all...

 

[englishpremier]

I bet most law abiding citizens wouldn't shed a tear or lose sleep over a few dead scumbags, I know I wouldn't.

Nor would i but guns obviously don't work. If they did, they would have ended all riots and protests we see in the middle east.

 

[dirtydog]

You really talk some ****, I do not want lethal force being used. Considering how much you say you love this country, you are prepared to throw away all what it makes it a great place to live in in a second.

I don't love this country, I think it is a horrible place nowadays.

 

[beachBOYken]

A massive WTF to the people calling for death, seriously get an effin grip !
This has NOTHING to do with police who have hands tied and about numbers and police safety, pure and simple! If you can't see this then I feel sorry for you as the education system has obviously failed you!

IF all this scum was not on our streets i would happily vote for death to all scum

 

[KautoStar]

RT @serafinowicz: Check out these tough guys http://t.co/hKAkbP4 #LondonRiots

 

[Ahleckz]

As already said, people who are soaking wet and cold soon lose their appetite to carry on with their behaviour.

Or they get even more ****ed off, break into Debenhams, loot a towel and some new levis, dry off and then get back to rioting but even angrier. Get real.

 

[jmc777]

You have my keyboard!

And my mouse!

And my hand lotion and tissues!

 

[dirtydog]

Nor would i but guns obviously don't work. If they did, they would have ended all riots and protests we see in the middle east.

The rioters in the middle east actually have a cause, they aren't just some yobs out to cause mayhem for the sake of it.

 

[Walkerie]

water cannons would ruin any potential electrical loot and there phones, slows them down and there organisation.

 

[Xelene]

And my mouse!

And my gamepad!

 

[Danthus]

Or they get even more ****ed off, break into Debenhams, loot a towel and some new levis, dry off and then get back to rioting but even angrier. Get real.

We wouldn't want to upset the criminals, they might commit more crime!

 

[Sunbed]

Instances of robbing and looting can be reduced. Some people will think twice if they think they might get physically harmed for breaking into a shop etc. Being soaking wet and bashed against a wall by a water cannon would reduce many people's inclination to carry on looting.

Possibly but a gang of rioters is far more mobile than a water cannon. A water cannon is for dispersing crowds, not for targeting individuals.

Also I don't really think the thought of getting physically harmed stops a "mob". If anything it makes it more exciting for them. Start getting heavy with these guys and you will see more police getting stabbed and shot.

 

[Dolph]

That's a hilarious report. You'll only ever have a maximum of 33% of staff on at any one time due to shift rotations, plus you have annual leave to take in to account. There is also paper work that needs to be done as the courts demand evidence shockingly enough. I find it laughable that you think a magic wand can change this. The nature of the job means you need a lot of staff.

But the linked document within the report makes it clear that this number has fallen year on year...

I don't dispute that you'll never have high efficiency, but why has it been falling as officer numbers have increased? Why, at a time when we have more officers than ever in history, do we have some of the lowest frontline policing numbers, both absolute and relative, in history?

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Disperse the majority of the crowd, arrest people who are left causing trouble. The goal in riot control is to change the crowd mentality in your favour, then take out the leaders (by arresting them).

You can do all that just as efficiently with pure numbers and specialist snatch squads/teams, far more accuaratley as well compared to kranking up what amounts to a SuperSoaker on meth
All the Water-Canons will do is push the kids away from vacant shops and into residential areas! I don't think large gangs of hyped up rascals running through residential areas is a good move for public safety!!

 

[SuperTronNarwhal]

I think we should hire the Korean SC2 people to command the Police officers.

 

[Participant]

police getting stabbed and shot.

I wonder if that'll be the next headline tbh .

 

[Kutter]

If there was ever a time for police Brutality, this is it.

 

[Efour]

Water cannons are good at dispersing massed amounts of people not 30 hoody chavs that decide to smash up Carphonewarehouse in some suburban highstreet.

What do you want 20000 watercannons on every highstreet in every borough??

Some of the crap being said is off the scale.

 

[Ahleckz]

We wouldn't want to upset the criminals, they might commit more crime!

Well, it doesn't make sense to get them even more riled. We need to contain them and the only way to do that is through numbers.
I'm not sure how many times I need to say it before more people begin to realize - Antagonising rioters isn't going to help anything or anyone. It's not a case of not upsetting the criminals, it's a case of ensuring that the rioters don't have any more of a reason to believe what they are doing is right.
Water cannon, tear gas and the like will not help with anything. There is no evidence to suggest that this will. What is happening here isn't the same as the student protests, the Troubles, Genoa G8. The rioters aren't attacking one point which can be defended with the use of water cannon and tear gas. They are a fluid, mobile rabble that believe what they are doing is right.

It's pleasing to see that people are beginning to see the pointlessness of water cannon et al.