Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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I think this whole scenario is quite interesting. Worrying, sickening and plain wrong, yes, but I am curious to see how this ends up if things massively escalate all round the country.

How will the government stop it, will they call a curfew and bring in the Army, will they use more extreme methods of control on those responsible?

I know all of this has been covered inthe thread but I am personally in favor of more extreme methods of control. I don't just mean water cannons and rubber bullets either, but this may not happen because the government will say it could escalate things and cost lives as the rioters will then carry guns etc etc etc. But where does it end, if it gets so far out of control across the country that it ends up in essentially a war between the lower class and the police and military, what would be the answer? Intriguing.

Anyway, I live 10 minutes walk from the city centre of Derby and I wonder if things may kick off here too...? We will see.
 
Ahleckz said:
Water cannon is useful for concentrating rioters into one area and then contained. However, we also need a plan for what happens when they are there.
We're getting very hung up on water cannon, and I think another thing we haven't really touched on is that it's highly likely that NI wouldn't be that happy about providing one of their 6 assets to London. I understand there are still major marches planned and I doubt they'd want rid of a major asset during that time.
What happens in NI isn't what is happening in London. Over there it's a group v group thing, over here it is not. You are comparing apples and oranges and suggesting that you can use the same tools to combat the problem. You can't.
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On operational things I mainly agree with you. Water cannon may as well be a white elephant. Tear gas should be available for dispersing looters from a shop, bean bag rounds should be available for taking down cocky rioters. Horses and heavily armoured Riot cops aren't mobile enough to stop these kids. There has to be some excessive Police behaviour to put a stop to it.

Imo the best approach is to kettle them, and beat them senseless with Batons. Leave enough roving police to mitigate situations, and have a mobile force of 3000 to target individual areas and beat them up with truncheons.
 
cm1179 said:
it's massively relevant. i don't believe their reasons. they're no protesting against anything though they are obviously jealous of ''all the rich people''. there's plenty of other race groups living in just as much poverty but do you see them reacting like this?

there have been other races involved but nothing on the same scale as black people in these areas, not all black people of course but an awful lot of them. they say they want help but do they? going off some of the pictures and statements it seems to me that this kind of behaviour is what they really want and thrive on.

or maybe, just maybe this is one massive media conspiracy and the images i see of white people rescuing animals, wearing t-shirts saying looters are scum, making tea and holding up brooms (yes, i saw there were black people in that image, props to them) as opposed to the ones i see of buildings burning, looting etc being fillled with mostly black people are all there to victimise black people and make white people look great?
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Personally I don't think it is relevant because black or white they might all be English people so you are purely differentiating on the colour of their skin. Black isn't a race.
 
cu3ed said:
Theirs no way you'll get anything from NI.
But you are complicating things if you think a mob/riot mentality is all teh different, its not, in NI its not a group vs group thing a lot of the time, its a group vs the police. Because teh RUC/ PSNI took the fight to the rioters, not standing at one end of teh street doing what ever they wanted to do.
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Yes, it's a group v police. Or in other words group v group. That's not happening in London. We can't deploy NI tactics in London because it is a totally different scenario.
Yea, there have been clashes with the police but by and large this isn't a police vs. thugs. This is thugs being thugs and rampaging through the streets.

The PSNI/RUC have/had totally different training to the Met. They are trained to deal with riots and major public disorder events. The Met have done training in this but not to the same extent. We can all say how bad that is but it's a money thing. People don't expect these things to happen in London whereas sadly they do in NI.

Maybe the best thing to do would swap the PSNI with the Met for a week? ;)
 
People keep saying we need more boots on the ground, and then saying the army would be no help.


What is the army but boots on the ground? It's not like they would be rolling around in Challenger tanks shooting people.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
It isn't surprising at all.

Have microscopes from the likes of Liberty shoved up and breed an air where police are far more fearful of litigation than they are of bricks and missiles.

Take away that cloud over them and let them get on with it and the Met and other forces can do the job.

You reap what you sow.
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Aha Liberty. Been wondering when we'd get a statement from them. Or from that loudmouthed short-haired lesbian chick who always has cocky, unhelpful comments to make on everything that doesn't concern her.
 
"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"

The TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."
 
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