Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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Ahleckz said:
I've disagreed with a lot Robbo has said in this thread, but I totally agree with this.
It isn't ever right for a member of the public to be walking around the street with a concealed handgun.
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Do people with knives also deserve instant death also with no chance of trial, punishment and rehabilitation?

Think about what you lot are actually saying. Especially you given your educational reading.
 
scorza said:
Important post that hopefully won't get overlooked. Not that it excuses the sort of wanton violence we've seen over the last few days.
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He may not have shot @ police but that's besides the point if you walk around on the streets with a gun you are going to get taken down.
He deserved to have his blown his head off for gesturing at the police with a gun tbh.
 
majestyk said:
He wasn't shot in the face either. It was those rumours that fuelled the initial Tottenham riot.

Darcus Howe, the life long aplologist for the black community, was still saying the above a couple of hours ago.

The police were slow off the mark in getting the facts out.
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Duggans family know he was not shot in the face, they have seen his body!
 
Armed police are amazingly well trained, they do not shoot to kill in this country either.

If they deemed him a threat, they probably had legitimate grounds and I trust their judgement. It takes a lot for one of them to shoot, it's not something they relish or enjoy and it's certainly not a decision they make lightly. They are humans too and the chances are they are probably more compassionate and caring than the gangsters and criminals they have to deal with.

I feel sorry for Marc Duggan's kids, but if he really cared about them why is he involved in gang/gun crime? He obviously chose that lifestyle, he took risks for whatever reason (most likely personal gain) and paid the ultimate price. That's what happens when you mess around with gangs and illegal guns.

Plenty of other scum over the last few days have deserved bullets to the chest, shame they wont get them.
 
*sigh*

I suppose I'd better go home before I finish this stack of work I've got to do for tomorrow. Otherwise I'll be stuck in the middle of it if it kicks off in Croydon again :(
 
Ahleckz said:
What's your experience? And when was I a leftie?

The point is simple - This isn't a riot against an institution, a person, a building, a figurehead. Those sorts of riots centralise somewhere. We saw it in Greece, in Genoa, in the Student Riots, yadda yadda. In times like this water cannon, plastic rounds and tear gas can be a valuable tool because it prevents the crowd from getting too close to key assets that the police are protecting (be it a parliament building, a conference centre, etc).
This is not happening in London. The crowd isn't advancing on one central point. There is nothing to protect because there is not one thing under threat; everything is under threat.
These tools are useful in removing threats from an area. The vastness of these riots are something quite different and therefore water cannon, tear gas, plastic bullets wouldn't help in the grand scheme of things and would antagonise rioters.

You have failed to explain your view, you have failed to show me where I am wrong, you have just posted factually incorrect comments about my view and just nonsense.

If you have something to add to this discussion I'm happy to talk to you. If you want to try and score points and take cheap (and incorrect) shots at me then you can frankly go away.

Stop comparing one riot to another, it is wrong to do so. Listen to what the experts (whilst I've done plenty of research into this, I'm by no means an expert) are telling you.

What is your experience? Why is your view right? My view is thought out, and proven. Police officers and security experts agree with me.
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Your view is thought out,and proven? Proven where? I've lived in countries that have used all those tools I mentioned,and they are highly effective,even in running battles.
Police officers and security experts agree with you? You mean the ACPO,commander types and rent-a-mouths on the telly?
Go to Inspector gadgets blog,or other dedicated police blogs,then you'll see what front-line REALLY think.
Where did I say I'm right? You post that these tools aren't needed in such a patronising fashion,you pretend that your opinion is authoritative,and anyone who dares to differ gets shot down.

So,you think it's ineffective,and I think it's effective and shall continue to post my opinion.Feel free to post yours.

BTW,I don't really think you're in a position to suggest I 'go away',but nice try nontheless.:D
 
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Imagine what it's like in Libya with clowns like these carrying guns and being assisted by foreign powers to overthrow the government.
 
scorza said:
Important post that hopefully won't get overlooked. Not that it excuses the sort of wanton violence we've seen over the last few days.
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Mark Duggan didn't fire, but he still had a handgun that had been converted to fire live rounds and had one in the magazine.

How anyone carrying a gun can be free of any blame is ridiculous.
If I was wondering around with a gun, the fact I might get killed would be a direct consequence of doing just that.
 
drunkenmaster said:
In ealing is was, from what I saw, predominately white people, in Tottenham, it was mostly black people, elsewhere, theres a mix though it seems to be more black people than white people, make a point with your question, otherwise, so what? What does that change in this situation, if they were all purple or red, would the situation be any different or not need dealing with, no. The colour of people involved is irrelevant, the dealing with whoever is involved, is.
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Mr Jack said:
It's the part where you think that black people is a meaningful group. May as well comment on the hair colour, or shoe size of the rioters.
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So it's ok that people acknowledge that black people are known for being better dancers, rappers and runners, and that isn't racist or meaningless. But when there's an observation that has a negative connotation, all of a sudden it's racist and meaningless to point it out.
 
Anyone have the latest on Leicester? Following the Twitter feed is an absolute joke. Been keeping an eye on both Chiswick and Leicester all day and the tweets pretty much consist of:

''RIOTS going on! Roads are closed, shops boarded up, people have been sent home!!!!!!!!!'

and then a few minutes later someone else posts:

'Absolutely fine here, high street is buzzing with shoppers, here's a picture'.

It seems people are getting kicks out of completely making stuff up and lying about there being riots. Bizzare people.
 
avec said:
Armed police are amazingly well trained, they do not shoot to kill in this country either.
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I think you'll find that your quite wrong about that one... police shoot to stop the threat,and that's means targeting the upper torso,or the head for that matter.
 
Biohazard said:
Do people with knives also deserve instant death also with no chance of trial, punishment and rehabilitation?

Think about what you lot are actually saying. Especially you given your educational reading.
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Yep some ridiculous claims here. Did they even know he had a gun for sure?

At most they suspected he had a gun unless he was flashing it about. For the police's sake I hope, he actually had it in his hand.
 
Seems like London is burning...was shocked at how far its spread around London...luckily for me where i live it hasnt hit properly and last nite was around my gf's place in east ham, plaistow to be exact and we seemed to have escaped it but shes called me earlier today saying that theres a big police presence around her area...from my office i can see a police heli flying round her area as i work in Canary wharf and get a good view of east london :/

Shocking behaviour from these rioters and looters, absolutely shocking.
 
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