Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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Police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary to arrest an individual or protect themselves or others if someone presents an immediate threat. The officer doesn't have to wait for the person to actually attack as long as there is suitable indication that the suspect does intend to commit harm or flee. Police must follow a "use of force continuum/matrix" that governs what type of force is allowed in the face of a given level of resistance. Typically, the officer can go one step above whatever resistance is being posed by the suspect. The steps for the officer typically are:

1) Officer presence
2) Verbal commands
3) Soft empty hand control (transport moves & pressure points)
4) Hard empty hand control (strikes, pepper spray)
5) Intermediate weapons (Baton, Taser)
6) Deadly force

Using the +1 rule, the officer can go one step beyond the suspect. For example, if the suspect is being verbally non-compliant (which is the equivalent to level 2 verbal commands) the officer can move to level 3 and lay hands on the suspect to gain compliance. The reason for the +1 rule is to allow the officer to gain compliance rather than trade equal force all night long. If the suspect doesn't comply, the officer can lay hands on them. If they become actively resistant, the officer can move to strikes or intermediate weapons, etc. The only exception is deadly force, which can only be used when the suspect presents the immediate threat of deadly force.
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I see Duggans family are making some noise, lots of criticism of the Police, maybe they should be asked about the firearm that was recovered from the scene.
 
I don't know what all this shoot to kill or shoot to incapacitate rubbish is about.

The police, infact and person who is trained to shoot people will aim for the torso (centre mass) given the fact police use expanding ammunition (hollow points) the trauma caused inside the body will be massive, it's a fact if you get shot by the police the chances are you will die due to this fact.

The police would not go round aiming for limbs or head due to the higher risk of missing the target which could cause damage/injury to a member of the public etc...
 
So the IPCC said that the gezzer didnt fire off a shot,

Going to be 9/11 X 1,000,000 tonight now, And I dont even want to know what that means.
 
So if it turns out the gun Duggan had was used in 1,2,3 or 4 deaths wil everyone still think poor bloke.

The only reason you would carry a gun or a knife is cos your a knob, plain and simple. These are highly trainied Policeman who dont fire guns for no reason.

I see the family coming out now, "someone must be made accountable for this" how about he does and they face up that a normal human being does not go around carrying a gun. He obviously is not a normal family man loved by all, he was well known to the police and had served time on remand. Didnt his brother get killed recently also?
 
One further thought, shouldn't the police officer who shot Mr Duggan have been arrested? After all it's in the officer's own interests as he gets free legal advice and the police can't talk to him unless he's been arrested. The police must investigate all homicides, what if the police officer were to leg it abroad?

(this is a sarcastic post btw).
 
dirtydog said:
Who gives a ****? What some scumbag gun carrying drug dealer gang leader got killed, do you think any normal law abiding person is going to lose a second's sleep over this. The officer who shot him should get a medal.
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Yeah sure, I agree, he is clearly not a huge loss to society, but the Police have to show that they respect proper procedure if they want the backing of the populace.

If the shooting is wrongful, he should be punished not given a medal.
 
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