Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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Mate's FB:

Hello Rioters.
Look at your friend, now back to me.
Now at your friend, now back to me.
Sadly, he isn't me, but if he stopped using petrol bombs and started using job centre he could potentially be me.
Look down, back up. Where are we? You're at an interview with the man your friend could work for.
What's in your hand? Back at me. I have it. It's an application form to that job you need. Look again. The form is now money.
Anything is possible when you get a job.
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I lolled :p
 
Anyone else wonder if they're letting it last so long and taking such a soft hand approach so that when all is said and done, they'll have more backing from the people for heavy handed approaches and more police powers, edging us towards that police state that the police and gorvernment so obviously want?
 
Deific said:
Anyone else wonder if their letting it last so long and taking such a soft hand approach so that when all is said and done, they'll have more backing from the people for heavy handed approaches and more police powers, edging us towards that police state that the police and gorvernment so obviously want?
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People are saying this on David Icke forums.
 
Evangelion said:
From deep within a haystack at the far end of a disused Plymouth pig farm, Dolph provides the harsh socio-political commentary this country so desperately needs! His own problem is a tendency to sound like Melanie Phillips channelling Ayn Rand at a séance led by Anne Coulter...

17.04.07
Dolph laments that police did not use powers available to them:



17.04.07
Dolph rages against Labour's "ever greater expansion of police power":



06.03.10
Dolph fumes that Labour has "massively expanded police powers and reduced the rights of citizens" with "draconian legislation", in a "march towards a police state":



10.08.11
Dolph bemoans Labour's "emasculation of the police" (really? I thought they had "massively extended powers"?) while still insisting that "more and more behaviour was criminalised for normal people" (what behaviour?):



I'm not sure how it's possible to have "police state" controlled by an "emasculated" police force with "massively expanded police powers" (???) but apparently that's the situation. :confused:
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LOL DOLPH GOT PWNED
 
101001101 said:
Does anyone think that the SKY news presenter is quite hot actually? :D
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No, she looks a bit scary. :p
 
C64 said:
End of the day there were 13-16 year olds mostly so I blame the parents or lack of parents giving a damn.Any parent worth their salt wouldn't have let their kids out 2nd and 3rd nights.But then what can a single mother do when the kids don't even respect or fear them.
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the single mother should have brought them up better.
 
FINALLY caught up with everything in this thread. really sad to hear about the deaths.

mufc802 said:
I wish countries could unite and build one gigantic prison on a deserted island somewhere and send all criminals there from all the countries who helped build it.
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theres this giant island in the south called antarctica. build a small prison there, get some prisoners to build bigger prisons, problem solved.
also, good luck escaping from it :p

agnes said:
Brilliant!

I was actually effected by the riots last night! Even in good old retirement central Twyford!

LOADS of police in Reading and it took me 10 mins to walk out of the station! Security is VERY tight :(

ags
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thanks for the info. might delay my visit to my uni accommodation for a few days
(need to see what furniture needs buying/moving)
 
lowrider007 said:
This incident was embarrassing for us, they didn't need more police, the police needed to be more assertive/aggressive, I heard countless times from people that the police would just stand there while shops were being looted, wtf seriously?, why were they being so soft on these criminals?
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Why do people think police in riot gear are invincible. Plenty of cops got injured, plenty of cops faught rioters, if every group of cops ran into a larger group of rioters, we've have had many many more police injuries, and quite possibly a number of deaths.

Police have batons, thugs had petrol bombs, the police aren't fireproof, hit them with a brick, they'll go down, smack them with a lead pipe, it will hurt. The numbers were the problem, there might only be 10 people actually breaking into one store, and 15 cops, but there might be 50 people down the road, half of whom are rioters, and the other half completely moronic idiots just watching. But how do the police know that if they attack the 10 people, the other 50 won't just join in and come and kill them, they don't.

Overwhelming force is how policing, military action, almost everything is done. Even numbers, its insanely risky, police are people, with families, and not well paid, they risked their lives but people wanted them to put themselves in increasingly dangerous situations and no one should expect them to do that.

Cuchulain said:
This.

Water cannons are for dispersing rioting crowds, they're not going to have any effect in preventing groups of people on the move.
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No, he's wrong, and you're wrong.

Not even single thing going on in the last few nights was moving crowds. As evidenced by the other post I quoted, people were upset that there were so many small groups of police and little they could do.

In essentially a tank with a water cannon both, the police inside would be safer so they could have been more aggressive, and 20ft away from a store being looted, they could hose anyone trying to get in.

No one, but no one has claimed what he seems to think, that water cannons would instantly stop everyone. But if one water cannon enabled one store to be protected, it would be worth it. If it also scared people into not coming out fearing there might be many more trucks, it would have worked, if it hit people to the ground, pushed others back and enabled the small number of cops to go in and grab the "ring leaders", again, another win.

The problem here is the main guy arguing again water cannons and bullets being used seems to think everyone is saying it would have fixed everything, instantly.

It wouldn't have, it would have been one more deterrant, look at the 16k cops, deterrant, they actually wouldn't have been hugely more effective than previous nights, because riot gear cops can't catch kids on foot, just not going to happen, those riot cops still aren't fireproof. it was A DETERRANT and it kept THOUSANDS of people off the street compared to the previous night.

He's right, these aren't heavily oppressed people, they WEREN'T fighting in a single place against the police with conviction. They were opportunistic and saw no downside, the mere threat there would be more people out, and they all stayed home scared.

Water cannons, rubber bullets, used on a few people and people would have gone home scared.

The vast majority of people out weren't "instigators", most would just go in a store if it was broken into, the people doing the breaking in were an altogether more criminal and violent type. The rest, the vast majority would have gone home the second news got out that a whole crowd of people were knocked about by a water cannon, shot, and arrested.

It would have worked, there is no doubt, dispersing crowds, thats what we wanted. People with a cause, with a goal, with a target, disperse, and come back to continue the fight. People with out a cause would have been dispersed, thats it, thats all we needed.
 
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