Votes, that is why it will not change.
Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)
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Votes, that is why it will not change.
A ten week prison sentence would be very bad for most of us. But we're law abiding people who would suffer immensely at being put in prison for ten weeks and then suffer further for the rest of our lives with a criminal record.
A ten week prison sentence for scummy jobless youth, or school kids who don't attend school for any other reason than EMA payments (ludicrous) isn't such a problem for them. They don't really care about having a career or real job and the chances are they've already committed other crimes already. It's ten weeks away from home in a hotel with a TV as far as they're concerned, they might even meet some new scum friends to get involved with.
The same problem occurs when you talk about arrests.
If one of us was arrested, we'd find it a traumatising experience, we'd be full of anxiety and fear, we'd almost certainly never do whatever we did again and we'd not kick off or abuse police at any time. We'd then have to explain our arrest on release and perhaps be held accountable by an employer or family member.
If one of the scummy youths are arrested, they play the system from the moment they are taken into custody. They tell lies about their identity and address, they deny doing whatever they did, they feign illness and sickness for extra privileges, they pretend to be religious in order to get extra special treatment and they'll not really have to explain it to anyone afterwards.
Things work differently for different people.
The social underclass must be treated differently, because they play the system over and over again. The kids might not have academic qualifications, but they know exactly how to play the system.
A ten week prison sentence for scummy jobless youth, or school kids who don't attend school for any other reason than EMA payments (ludicrous) isn't such a problem for them. They don't really care about having a career or real job and the chances are they've already committed other crimes already. It's ten weeks away from home in a hotel with a TV as far as they're concerned, they might even meet some new scum friends to get involved with.
The same problem occurs when you talk about arrests.
If one of us was arrested, we'd find it a traumatising experience, we'd be full of anxiety and fear, we'd almost certainly never do whatever we did again and we'd not kick off or abuse police at any time. We'd then have to explain our arrest on release and perhaps be held accountable by an employer or family member.
If one of the scummy youths are arrested, they play the system from the moment they are taken into custody. They tell lies about their identity and address, they deny doing whatever they did, they feign illness and sickness for extra privileges, they pretend to be religious in order to get extra special treatment and they'll not really have to explain it to anyone afterwards.
Things work differently for different people.
The social underclass must be treated differently, because they play the system over and over again. The kids might not have academic qualifications, but they know exactly how to play the system.
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From that sentence, you have no idea if they burned a shop down, or took one t-shirt from a store already opened. 15 years absolute minimum for the hit and run/murderer guys in Brum, 5-10 years at least for any arsonist, but putting a kid who steals a t-shirt in jail for 10 years would be entirely ridiculous.
Someone earlier said there are infact 2500 spaces open in jails across the UK. Thats all well and good, but before the rioting, during, and afterwards there will be "normal" criminals, out there murdering, raping, shooting, stabbing, and I would assume at any one time theres several hundred minimum on trial/awaiting trial and spaces need to be open for them. You want a guy who takes a iphone to get 10 years and then a court in 3 months to go, well we were going to give you 30 years for multiple rapes but nothings free for the next 10 years, so you're free to go?
This country needs more jails, and frankly they needed to be built when Labour were ****ing money all over the place. was it 5 billion on an ID scheme EVERYONE knew wouldn't work, how many jails would that have built and run for 30 years. The more stuff happens, economies crashing, riots, education crumbling the more I realise, even as someone who thought the Labour party was shockingly bad, just how they surpassed themselves with the recklessness of their governing for the previous decade.
They've screwed us long term in ways we haven't even realised yet.
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It tough for a lot of people to judge but if you had a choice for working in a dead end crap job with no real prospect for things to get any better within that job earning only a little bit more than claiming benefits where you don't have to walk into a job you hate with no real commitment and no one taking you seriously...
I definitely can't accept more than 50% of people would take it.... and they may say "yes i'd do it because of the self respect"...
tbh that is all it would be.. self respect.
It's hard.
The simple message is.. stick in at school
I definitely can't accept more than 50% of people would take it.... and they may say "yes i'd do it because of the self respect"...
tbh that is all it would be.. self respect.
It's hard.
The simple message is.. stick in at school
The public is subject to all sorts of group think dynamics. They tend to sway from one side to the other. From wanting to kill them, to omg police brutality quite easily depending on what their authority figures are saying. What you really need is steady stable policy between the two extremes.
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Every army needs cannon fodder though
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Looks like the mindless trashing has pretty much fizzled out or have I spoken too soon?
There are schemes whereby criminals do have to do stuff like clean up parks etc etc.
Then there was this idea about making them identifiable to the public so we could see they were repaying their debt but the do gooders said this was humiliating.
I disagree if the youth was engaged in Rioting but only stole a t-shirt then I'm fine with locking up for 10 years.
They'd probably see it as a celebrity status to be honest. They quite clearly do not operate the way normal people do.
It has in London not too sure about elsewhere tonight. It's far too early to say and we don't know what will happen when they start reducing police numbers. I’d give it another week.
Put them through basic training then, 26 weeks of that should teach them a bit about discipline and respect AND get them out of that awful inner city environment. I think that would be enough to turn a lot of peoples lives around.
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You just cant take away benefits and housing without seeing decrease in social order due to no incomes to these people. You think the riots and crime is bad now, what you would get with a mass benefit and housing withdrawal is something close to the coal miner days on the streets or possibly even the army deployed and curfews.
The public services couldn't coupe with that either, police numbers are still going to be cut by 12.5k and the court services all over the UK are being slashed. The same courts that are sitting nearly 24 hours just now to process these criminals.
The really fun bit is even if they get sentences that send them to prison they will likely serve 50% of the sentence handed out and they will go into a system where criminals basically get better connected and go out to larger and worse things.
The system is so broken at the base i.e. the home that the rest has no hope of correcting it. Folks these days are to busy trying to find a quick way to get rich instead of plain good old hard graft, I think the cult of celebrity is partly to blame. They see these people and think its all easy and they can just emulate these no name talentless people.
Wheres the general public's admiration of Scientists, Engineers and other proper people advancing our world instead of these pop stars and glory hounds.
Excuse me for the rant but this country is so stupid at times
The public services couldn't coupe with that either, police numbers are still going to be cut by 12.5k and the court services all over the UK are being slashed. The same courts that are sitting nearly 24 hours just now to process these criminals.
The really fun bit is even if they get sentences that send them to prison they will likely serve 50% of the sentence handed out and they will go into a system where criminals basically get better connected and go out to larger and worse things.
The system is so broken at the base i.e. the home that the rest has no hope of correcting it. Folks these days are to busy trying to find a quick way to get rich instead of plain good old hard graft, I think the cult of celebrity is partly to blame. They see these people and think its all easy and they can just emulate these no name talentless people.
Wheres the general public's admiration of Scientists, Engineers and other proper people advancing our world instead of these pop stars and glory hounds.
Excuse me for the rant but this country is so stupid at times
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I believe they do that already where training institutions such as Learndirect are involved in this.
The root cause definitely starts with parenting (or lack of).
On another note, people always use the poverty/poor background card but its rubbish. Kids from third world countries probably have more values and manners than the kids/teenagers of modern Britain. They'll work or study hard to make a living, whereas most kids are now spoilt. Too much greed and not enough discipline.
Lots of vigilantes going around now. Thats what we need as the cops are outnumbered and can't act accordingly.
This country needs to stand up against these morons and give them a taste of thier own medicine. Show them we aint lying down and giving in.
This country needs to stand up against these morons and give them a taste of thier own medicine. Show them we aint lying down and giving in.
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