Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

[RoboCod]

yep i think if you have a teenage kid and his mam and dad face eviction becuase of him you would think they would want there child to change and realise what they have done has an effect on the whole family.

i know my son would never go on like these scum that we have seen in recent days. he knows what is expected of him and i know he wont do anything to let us down.

Their families won't think like that though will they? You just know the mentality won't be that mum and dad will hold themselves and their children accountable, oh no that means taking responsibility. If a family get evicted because little Johnny has been naughty the only response will be "Da guvernment took are benefitz den dey tuck are home! Down wiv da guvernment! etc"

 

[StriderX]

I didn't call prisons a deterant, I said it was a means of reforming someones character which I believe it does.

I look around my estate and see people changing the place in which they live (community cleanups, creches, gatherings of different types for everybody including sport, gardening outside each block by residents) and it is these actions that have made the estate a nicer place to live in and have built have a community.
This is just one example of an environment on a council estate, however it was the actions of the people living here that have changed it, and if it can happen here why not for these people living in other areas? It has not, neither will it ever be the responsibility of others (1 mile or 100 miles away) to do have done this.
You had mentioned other factors as reasons for their actions such as parenting, economy, government, ignorance of the systems, but as I said, many people are going through this as well. You've said the ignorance of systems as a reason for their actions, am I right in assuming that means you believe these people to be from lower/working classes?
There are more people from lower and working classes who aren't rioting than those who are, people who have managed to bring up their children to not loot, commit arson, assault and murder. The only real difference is the parents, and parenting to teach somebody how to behave is not the responsibility of everybody. It is the responsibility of the parents.

I'm not saying everyone is at direct fault, some are, the rest is indirect, up and down the class ladder.

Its also quite obvious now to people that government on both sides of the coin are useless cretins.
To the point, yes parenting is the main problem thats why it is first there, but many things have made some parents simply bitter and uncaring, which thus passes down to the next generation.

Unfortunately there are A LOT of problems in our society, most are the governments problem and the one that caused it seems to conveniently have a memory problem.

To the person looking for my solutions, admittedly i dont have many, but i know when people go wrong, going on the attack because they are angry and short-sighted, we went on the attack in Iraq, we got humiliated and we left...
We are on the attack in Afghanistan, still unstable 10 years later...

I do however have a few reforms for education, which i believe to be quite important.

Teachers need to stop having to hit around the bush with discipline.
New teachers need to actually have good knowledge of what they are teaching, SICK of having random joes as teachers, its disgraceful.
Kids need to be educated, not taught how to be good at tests, its gotten annoying and simply inefficient, compared to more practical ways of teaching like apprenticeships.
Education needs to be taught less from pen and paper, as i've said practical application is much better for the mind, people become very annoyed having to sit for hours on end.
Amongst other things like Headteacher problems and the ageing teacher base.

 

[LOAD " "]

you think prison reforms a persons character for the better ?

It may do it may noyt depends on there experience while in prison,however serving sometime in the Military(12 months national service) is a good call because it enforces discipline and creates good character,most people would be glad they went in to the armed forces once they come out of it,this would also stop all the immigration,as you would find many wouldnt come here as they would try to avoid the military.

Parents,teachers at schools and police need the powers that they once had about 15 years ago also,to discipline younger people when they get out of hand,it worked when i was younger so,if its not broke why fix it?

 

[cm1179]

You are really clueless Dolph. At a time where the Police have literally tacken a kicking you want to change working practises, of which you have little or no idea how they work, in order to gain political points.

You should be ashamed of yourself to be frank. You are the opitome of an excel spreadsheet toting middle manager with little idea of how the real world operates.

As I and others have said, your shockingly hypocrital about turn in this very thread is amazing.

that is MUCH better than what i would've written but you are spot on. dolph, i've said it before, i truely believe you've spouted so much mumbojumbo and extravagant words that you have actually confused yourself to the point of not knowing which side of the fence you want to be on. seriously, give it a rest.

 

[krooton]

the only response will be "Da guvernment took are benefitz den dey tuck are home! Down wiv da guvernment! etc"

They never do realise that it isn't their home, do they? It is just being sublet (for free) to them by all us tax payers.

 

[Danthus]

Which shows that the police forces are also trying to run something as a jobs club rather than a public service if they give in to that sort of pressure. It just shows how outdated our strike laws are that employers can be bullied into making the wrong decision for their customers by a small proportion of their staff...

What is your actual experience of how the Police work Dolph?

 

[Danthus]

The Cameron statement was quite good, here comes Milliband..........

 

[SuperTronNarwhal]

I would love for a TV station to do a social experiment and broadcast it live, think Big Brother.

Take two groups of people, one group from the civilised world from a wide degree of professions, then one group from the chav world. Give them a fully working mini society with all the key things which makes the UK function and let them go at it for 2 months. See which one descends into chaos.....

Didnt they do something similiar like that were children got to have a farm all to there selfves. Started off well but they got into group and started to descend into chaos.

 

[StriderX]

The Cameron statement was quite good, here comes Milliband..........

Pfft, political points incoming.

 

[Danthus]

Milliband talking about cuts, shameful little man.

I knew he would.

 

[Danthus]

I like the fact Cameron has said he wel help out the uninsured for any loss they have had.

 

[Paul11]

It may do it may noyt depends on there experience while in prison,however serving sometime in the Military(12 months national service) is a good call because it enforces discipline and creates good character,most people would be glad they went in to the armed forces once they come out of it,this would also stop all the immigration,as you would find many wouldnt come here as they would try to avoid the military.

im all for national service

all i hear though is budget cuts, cant afford it blah blah

i wonder how much the costs would balance between keeping someone on welfare, with the odd theft, police time, court time and prison time

vs

12 month in the army costs

 

[CliffyBiro]

So, I conked out at 11pm last night. Did anything happen at all?

 

[Neil79]

Just got a phone call from a mate and i've seen the letter

Mate works in London(Woolwich) and parked his van he got a note on his windscreen

" Oi Honky, the next time you park your van here we will burn it to the ground we fight for black power "

This is getting ridiculus

 

[feedtheram]

I like the fact Cameron has said he wel help out the uninsured for any loss they have had.

If it’s classed as a riot then you can claim compensation from the Police apparently. Mentioned by some guy on the BBC. Its a law from 1890 or something.

So he would probably have to do it anyway and is just scoring some brownie points.

 

[StriderX]

Just got a phone call from a mate and i've seen the letter

Mate works in London(Woolwich) and parked his van he got a note on his windscreen

" Oi Honky, the next time you park your van here we will burn it to the ground we fight for black power "

This is getting ridiculus

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[hola_adios]

Just got a phone call from a mate and i've seen the letter

Mate works in London(Woolwich) and parked his van he got a note on his windscreen

" Oi Honky, the next time you park your van here we will burn it to the ground we fight for black power "

This is getting ridiculus

You mean "A friend"

 

[scorza]

Spuds vs. Everton match at weekend postponed because of threat of riots.

 

[Neil79]

You mean "A friend"

What's with the rolling eyes?

It happened

 

[Dolph]

that is MUCH better than what i would've written but you are spot on. dolph, i've said it before, i truely believe you've spouted so much mumbojumbo and extravagant words that you have actually confused yourself to the point of not knowing which side of the fence you want to be on. seriously, give it a rest.

And yet no-one is able to cite an actual example of where I have contradicted myself in this thread...