Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)
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I'm amazed at the early onset dementia within the Labour party, it's like they cannot remember who was in charge for pretty much all these kids lives, who educated these kids, who made worse the dependency culture through ill thought out spending plans and so on... Not to mention who caused the public spending crisis by continually spending more than they brought in throughout the boom.
Good article, I agree with all of them tbh, this however does higlight how difficult it is going to be to actually address the causes of such behaviour in our society today....
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Very sad
A HERO left in a coma after tackling rioters in Ealing died last night — triggering a murder inquiry.
It is believed the family of Richard Bowes, 68, agreed to switch off his life support.
He was attacked in West London on Monday as he tried to fight a bin fire.
His sister, Anne Wilderspin, 73, of Matlock, Derbys, was traced yesterday. A 22-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Ealing Council was flying the Union Jack over its town hall at half-mast today as a mark of respect for him.
A HERO left in a coma after tackling rioters in Ealing died last night — triggering a murder inquiry.
It is believed the family of Richard Bowes, 68, agreed to switch off his life support.
He was attacked in West London on Monday as he tried to fight a bin fire.
His sister, Anne Wilderspin, 73, of Matlock, Derbys, was traced yesterday. A 22-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
Ealing Council was flying the Union Jack over its town hall at half-mast today as a mark of respect for him.
Cant forget the corruption in media/government and parts of the police at that time either, as well as following the Americans into their own damn problem, indirectly causing the bombings in London (treason quite frankly), trying to employ the entire population into useless non-jobs and those glorious (false) one liners, "education, education, education"..."No more boom and bust"...etc.
I don't think there's a piece of paper long enough to explain their guilt.
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Honestly, I don’t really agree with any of them to be honest. I think the issue is deeper than that and multi layered. The reason was because they were mindless thugs who are completely self centred and full of greed. Morally corrupt individuals who cant see beyond their next action or if they can, don’t care anyway. For me, that’s the reason for the riots and nothing more.
How they got to be like that is worth finding out though.
Social exclusion always gets thrown up but how do you counter that with a section of society that doesn’t want to be included. It’s the old lead a horse to water etc. Countless money has been thrown at preventing social exclusion in all corners of the world (the projects of America for example) and its shown time and time again to simply not work well enough.
Its simply not an excuse, I’m sorry but its not a “a repeated humiliation, being continuously dispossessed in a society rich with possession” the majority of people (exclude the people who are born into extreme wealth because they are a tiny minority) get where they are because they work their socks off to get there, they aren’t handed it. You think the random Joe doesn’t look at footballers and bankers and think “if only” ? we all do to a point but rather than break someone’s shop apart and become a general nuisance we do something about it even if we never (and most wont) get there.
Do I feel “a repeated humiliation, being continuously dispossessed in a society rich with possession” when I compare myself to the people who have more than me ? No but I would feel humiliated if I sat on my arse all day complaining about how bad I have it.
We need to go back to complete basics on it imho. It starts (sorry I cant help it, its my profession) in housing and community infrastructure. There’s a reason why 60’s concrete high rise buildings are dire place to live and its not because they are high, densely populated and made of concrete. Its because there’s no community there, its nothing more than a place to be, not to live, not to function (god sorry). One of the original precedents of dense high rise was Le Corbusier’s Unite d'Habitation and it worked (still works) because its not simply a place to live, it’s everything from shops, housing, recreation (pool and running track on the roof, Hotel and restaurant. It was one of a few concepts that formed the foundations of 60s high rise housing in Britain but unfortunately all the “good” things were omitted and all that remained was the place to be.
I’ll finish cause its getting to long and dull and I’m at work and this wasn’t meant to be an essay, but you cant make someone love and care for a community and where they live when its not a place to live. The issues we see now have their foundations set a long time ago, certainly longer than the life span of the people involved at the moment and I personally aren’t sure it’s a problem that is rectifiable without untold monetary investment.
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Can I just add, this isn’t the only reason, but it is one of the major contributing factors imho. And sorry if it doesn’t read to well, it was a sort of brain explosion with little research involved
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So a political party are responsible for the way the way people are brought up? That is the parent(s) responsibility.
What was it you said in another thread about people trying to make cheap political points? Forgotten?
Maybe early onset dementia
As you did a drunkenmaster style post I didn't bother reading it all.
America is perhaps the worst example as it's the country with the worst inequality. Norway and Sweden are perhaps better examples of countries where the state nurtures cohesive inclusion in society. How do they do this? Low levels of immigration and a generous welfare state - note: not benefit handouts but things like free childcare for working parents. In this country all we do is vilify single mothers on benefits, but how are they supposed to get jobs and off benefits if the sort of jobs they can get don't pay enough to be able to afford child care?
No-one is seeking to excuse the rioting, punishing the rioters harshly is entirely justified but it's only treating the symptoms of a sick society - it does nothing to address the underlying causes. Until we understand better these underlying causes and formulate a plan to correct them, our society will continue to suffer.
There's a danger of looking at Camilla Batmanjobi and seeing a large white woman with a whacky foreign name, wearing whacky foreign cloths and thinking that she's one of these so-called woolly left-wing liberals who are perceived to be to blame for declining standards in the UK. When you actually look at the work Kids Company, her charity, does you realise she is well placed to know what is going on with the sort of kids who were involved in the rioting. I think she's been very clear that there's no excuse for the violence.
America is perhaps the worst example as it's the country with the worst inequality. Norway and Sweden are perhaps better examples of countries where the state nurtures cohesive inclusion in society. How do they do this? Low levels of immigration and a generous welfare state - note: not benefit handouts but things like free childcare for working parents. In this country all we do is vilify single mothers on benefits, but how are they supposed to get jobs and off benefits if the sort of jobs they can get don't pay enough to be able to afford child care?
No-one is seeking to excuse the rioting, punishing the rioters harshly is entirely justified but it's only treating the symptoms of a sick society - it does nothing to address the underlying causes. Until we understand better these underlying causes and formulate a plan to correct them, our society will continue to suffer.
There's a danger of looking at Camilla Batmanjobi and seeing a large white woman with a whacky foreign name, wearing whacky foreign cloths and thinking that she's one of these so-called woolly left-wing liberals who are perceived to be to blame for declining standards in the UK. When you actually look at the work Kids Company, her charity, does you realise she is well placed to know what is going on with the sort of kids who were involved in the rioting. I think she's been very clear that there's no excuse for the violence.
A lot of people are quick to jump the gun on things, i mean look at Iraq and Afghanistan, we need to stop acting like children (The US) and start solving our problems with reason and intelligent ideas.
People simply attacking one thing, its like using an M4 on a challengers armour plating, its stupid and reckless.
Yet, large numbers of people in work and a decent living have been getting locked up, even a millionaires daughter was done for stealing £5k of goods. The point is, the only thing stopping a complete breakdown in society is the rule of law as large numbers of the population just lack proper morals and decency.
Right back at ya
(jk) I probably agree although I stand by thinking its foundations lay in housing quality.The reason was because they were mindless thugs who are completely self centred and full of greed. Morally corrupt individuals who cant see beyond their next action or if they can, don’t care anyway. For me, that’s the reason for the riots and nothing more.
How they got to be like that is worth finding out though.
sorry are you on about the rioters or the bankers and politicians
M25 was fine yesterday and it should be no different today.
So a political party are responsible for the way the way people are brought up? That is the parent(s) responsibility.
What was it you said in another thread about people trying to make cheap political points? Forgotten?
Maybe early onset dementia
If the coalition cuts can be blamed, then Labour's behaviour can certainly be blamed, considering they were in power for the duration of many of the rioters lives or educations
Our welfare state has failed, and the failure was accelerated by the increasing of the benefit trap and bad policies such as surestart, EMA and the continual dumbing down of our education system.
Except that today is Friday and therefore the M25 will be a car park for much of the afternoon and evening. Shouldn't be as bad as last Friday though
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Go check out the spreadsheet of convictions so far on the Guardian website - the vast vast majority are unemployed. The media are obviously focusing on the shocking ones.
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