Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

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The welfare state has failed? No, it is the allocation of that welfare, plus the inadequate and inefficient reforms of the education system which have failed. You are throwing the baby with the water.

I don't support the abolishment of the welfare state, just a fundamental reform of the system.

Our welfare state does fail the most vunerable, by ensuring they remain that way and putting constant barriers in the way of improvement. it also fails the workers who pay for it by making people not working better off than many workers...
 
And when do you hear about firearms incidents settled with out the need to discharge a firearm?

I beleive the figure is that in the last 5 years something ridiculous like only 5 people have died at the hands of a police firearm.

Compare this to other countries around the world.
 
Is it the education system that's the problem, or is it that kids are being bred who are incapable of being educated properly due to underdeveloped brains?

Posted this a while ago, it's a very interesting read with lots of scientific evidence, particularly Chapter 2, and it certainly explains a lot of the behaviours of the "problem kids" I went to school with (all of whom came from poor families on council estates).

http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/109074.aspx

Chapter 2 seems to be about poor parenting and the ongoing effects in later life.
 
She has a good point though and it shut up the guy behind her :p

LOL there were two guys on QT last night that I thought came straight from this forum. The guy sitting behind her was one, the fat bloke who said take away their private property and everyone laughed at him was the other :p
 
We could mince them in a giant Wallace and Grommet Style industrial mincing machine, then feed it to baby eagles.
 
I don't support the abolishment of the welfare state, just a fundamental reform of the system.

Our welfare state does fail the most vunerable, by ensuring they remain that way and putting constant barriers in the way of improvement. it also fails the workers who pay for it by making people not working better off than many workers...

The answer to this is not remove the safety net, but make working more attractive by dramatically improving the pay people get for working.
 
These Hoods giving an interview on Sky News right now are pretty stupid.

Telling them all about what you've nicked and why you did with your faces covered is one thing. But to then say the places you hit included Comet in Clapham where you had applied for a job and were turned down is just asking for yourself to be arrested!
 
The answer to this is not remove the safety net, but make working more attractive by dramatically improving the pay people get for working.

err dolph didn't say to remove the net.

dramatically raising wages dramatically raises costs which means you have to dramatically raise benefits for them to be liveable then you're in the exact same situation


Seriously how did you think that would work?

Really now, I just can't see how that got past even a cursory check of the maths part of your brain?
 
The answer to this is not remove the safety net, but make working more attractive by dramatically improving the pay people get for working.

err dolph didn't say to remove the net.

dramatically raising wages dramatically raises costs which means you have to dramatically raise benefits for them to be liveable then you're in the exact same situation


Seriously how did you think that would work?

Really now, I just can't see how that got past even a cursory check of the maths part of your brain?

This ^

It comes down to morals and personal pride IMO, not paying them off!
 
err dolph didn't say to remove the net.

dramatically raising wages dramatically raises costs which means you have to dramatically raise benefits for them to be liveable then you're in the exact same situation


Seriously how did you think that would work?

Really now, I just can't see how that got past even a cursory check of the maths part of your brain?

He didn't? But Daffy Duck would be impressed.
 
The answer to this is not remove the safety net, but make working more attractive by dramatically improving the pay people get for working.

Again (it's been discussed already in this thread), improving pay doesn't necessarily make people's lives better, because employment costs have to be paid somehow.

I haven't advocated removing the safety net, only making it far more proportional to the benefits of working.
 
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