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Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)
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Yea, we should forget about world war 2 and the holocaust as well right? (a point he made)
See my post above yours.
Personally, I just see people. I don't see "working class" nor do I see "underclass".
Whatever you "see" it doesn't remove the fact that there are people willing to get up off their arses and those that aren't. You can label it (or not as the case may be) however you like.
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I'd happily pay more TAX if it genuinely benefited the country and we could see tangible results from it, I'm in a low income job and many people I know in a similar position have the same imo but ask anyone in a high income job if they would be willing to pay more taxes and they laugh in your face, why is it that I'm prepared to live a harder life to benefit society but many wealthy people are always of the attitude that they are hard done by?, perhaps someone could educate me? (seriously), perhaps it's that I don't hold money in such high esteem as many wealthy people do so I'm prepared to give up a little more?
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wait are you saying you still treat Germans as if this was world war 2?
You look down on them all because of the holocaust ?
Wow that's pretty bad hurdurf.
Godwin is that you?
It has nothing to do with the Germans, I am not advocating punishing the descendants of slave traders and owners
Not at all, I'm saying look at how its remembered and how compensated those affected by it were and still are today.
No, I have not bought up Hitler or compared anyone to a Nazi.
If we as a whole don't see the differences between people then we'll never get to the bottom of the problem and offer a solution.See my post above yours.
Personally, I just see people. I don't see "working class" nor do I see "underclass".
because they are already paying more tax than you.
If you're in the 60% bracket do you really think you'd be happy paying more?
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I understand that but I'm still prepared give up more of what little I have and live a much less comfortable life style than the 60 percenters are, that's the point, tax is relative to your earnings, I'm suffering as much if not more in fact giving up more of my wages even though I'm paying less tax.
End of the day I think we should all be taxed more even low earners but we would need to see radical benefits from that.
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I wish we would, 99% of people that lived at that time are dead now. Just make sure we don't forget the lessons but younger generations using it as an excuse makes me rage
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So we should forget all lessons from history because those who took part on them are already dead?
Edit. Ignore, you contradicting yourself confused me.
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why don't you give what you say you'd give in tax to a transparent charity then?
You don't need the government to spend your money for you do it direct more efficiently.
I most certainly do not mean brainwash. In fact I'm of the polar opposite opinion! It is those want purely punitive measures that are brainwashing them. "Do this or you'll be punished!" is the very foundation of brainwashing!
And what is the obsession with needing to have an answer right now why can't we research into what needs doing? Have some of these offenders do community service, see if it works. Have other offenders do something else like a vocation scheme, see if they gain that missing element out of it (and skimp on their wages to "pay" back what they stole etc.)
So forth..
Simply punishing someone teaches them nothing. Well, it teaches them to hate the system more.
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You miss the point. It's typical to bang the drum about slavery yet it has no relevance for this situation! Jeez, nearly everyone in this thread has been arguing the riots haven't been about race!
but without knowing what to change that's all you have.
an as i said if they're unwilling that's all you have too.
without an answer it's just another mythical panacea all idealists require to build their utopia.
What a turd. "because I'm black".
Hmm, maybe more to do with the fact you give "speeches" 25x a day and don't have a decent job?
It has nothing to do with the Germans, I am not advocating punishing the descendants of slave traders and owners
Not at all, I'm saying look at how its remembered and how compensated those affected by it were and still are today.
I would push a bet that the guy in the video is not affected by slavery, at all.
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