** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **
- Thread starter Tummy
- Start date
- Status
I'd love to know what season DM's hate for Wenger first reared it's ugly head, I can imagine him wanting Wenger sacked the minute Arsenal lost their 49 match unbeaten run
It really is quite pathetic. Nothing wrong with criticizing him, and at the moment it's definitely valid, but with him it's just blind criticism. He slags Wenger off for everything he does, no exceptions.
They could sign Messi, and he'd complain that he isn't the kind of player they needed.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 33,188
[Cas];19879658 said:
Please show me where I slagged the player off, then you might have a point, as it is, if you aren't willing to read my posts, go away.
M'Villa could be a great player, Gervinho by all accounts is a great striker, but I didn't trust Wenger to buy a striker and play him as a striker where he is needed, and he didn't. Maybe he'll buy M'villa and drop Ramsey and play two very defensive midfielders, but the problem being, still Song who is epically rubbish. As I said, if you read, I don't trust WENGER to bring in the right players, or use them effectively.
I don't even trust him to get a good player and sort out the deal, he'll lowball for a couple good reputation DM's, then end up buying some 17yr old striker to play as our new DM(Song was (mostly)a striker up till he joined Arsenal).
Like we lowballed an offer for Mata, maybe the right player, but we end up buying AOC, and Campbell.
[Cas];19879690 said:It really is quite pathetic. Nothing wrong with criticizing him, and at the moment it's definitely valid, but with him it's just blind criticism. He slags Wenger off for everything he does, no exceptions.
They could sign Messi, and he'd complain that he isn't the kind of player they needed.
No, its not, I always post my reasoning, when most don't. If we signed Messi thats great, I don't trust Wenger to sign anyone as good as Messi though, its that simple.
He just spent 12mil on Gervinho, I've seen him play in 6 games, in each of the 6 games he's looked woeful....... 12mil is fairly big money for Wenger to spend, so you'd think this is on someone he thinks is quality....... hence my problem.
Also yes, it is important you sign a player you need, left back, a 3rd decent CB, two DM's are our priority, even if the THREE strikers Wenger has signed so far were any good whatsoever, we have one spot upfront, for RVP, so those three weren't what we needed.
Last edited:
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 33,188
I'd love to know what season DM's hate for Wenger first reared it's ugly head, I can imagine him wanting Wenger sacked the minute Arsenal lost their 49 match unbeaten run
No, around then is when I noticed and mentioned a very obvious change in the way he approached games. I've said this before, a year or two on it was easy to identify the end of the run as when he slowly turned into a little girl. Pre that run, Utd, away, 4-4-2 and all out attack, win some, lose some, lose some big, win leagues now and then. Since then its 4-5-1, defensive, slow attacking play, lose some, lose some more, rarely lose big, and win no leagues or titles. Its night and day, we're still a passing team which gets mistakenly called the same style, its not. Henry was the ultimate counter attacking player, we played at full speed 98% of the time, all out attack.
It was gradual, in the few months after that loss we basically saw 4-5-1 for the first time, and less attacking play, but it was rare, away and to certain teams only, a year later and it was more often away and at home against certain teams, a year or so after that it was 4-5-1 most of the time home and almost always away, and not long after that it was 4-5-1 all the time with the team getting less competitive and the quality of our play going downhill fast, as we replaced great players with fairly crap ones.
Mr hindsight, sure, except everything we've done thats been wrong, I pointed out years ago and other people are starting to notice.
That's a fair post to be fair, plenty of United fans lambasted Fergie for going 4-5-1 during Keane's later years (coincidentally the same time Arsenal also started playing that way) but Fergie likes his two strikers and as a result we've always had at least 2 top strikers at the club at any one time...... Wenger on the other hand has stuck with his Barcelona/Spain formation much to your disappointment obviously
Caporegime
- Joined
- 9 Mar 2006
- Posts
- 58,569
- Location
- Surrey
Do you go through a lot of keyboards DM?
Soldato
- Joined
- 24 Aug 2006
- Posts
- 10,113
- Location
- Gibraltar
Caporegime
- Joined
- 12 Mar 2009
- Posts
- 26,778
He does have some valid points though.
Soldato
- Joined
- 24 Aug 2006
- Posts
- 10,113
- Location
- Gibraltar
One thing ive noticed is that what ever dm has, its spreading to the rest of arsenal fans on the board. It starts with a mild negative view of wenger but soon escalates into an esay of negativity. People are actualy agreeing with him instead of the usa "l its Dm lol."
Caporegime
- Joined
- 12 Mar 2009
- Posts
- 26,778
I've noticed that too. He does come up with some crazy stuff but he does speak some sense too. I'm nowhere near as anti-Wenger as DM though, the man has been absolutely fantastic for the club, just because we're going through some (relatively) bad times doesn't mean he should be sacked. He has lost it a little bit though I think, he needs a better number 2 than Pat Rice who just seems like a complete yes man. Someone needs to tell Arsene that such and such player isn't going to make it, or that he needs to try a different formation, or different tactics or whatever. Since David Dein left he's made questionable signings at best as well, I mean we could have had Jagielka for an extra few million, Wenger refused to match the valuation and then went and spent £10,000,000+ on a clone of Walcott. :/ If David was still at the club he would have sorted out the transfer and we wouldn't have been in the situation today of having to rely on an 18 year old, or however old Ignasi Miquel is.
I hope Arsenal don't sign Jagiekla, I don't rate him and he'd be *too* over priced.
I don't mind DM (I don't read everything he writes) but he often talks sense but waffles a lot so people tend to get annoyed at him.
I fully understand his hate or dislike of some of the Arsenal players though, Song provides no purpose.
I don't mind DM (I don't read everything he writes) but he often talks sense but waffles a lot so people tend to get annoyed at him.
I fully understand his hate or dislike of some of the Arsenal players though, Song provides no purpose.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 12 Mar 2009
- Posts
- 26,778
I totally agree with his opinion of Song, he's such a ridiculous player. He gets booked way too much, and most of the time it's early enough in the match to pose Wenger a problem. Not only that but the fouls he commits are absolutely unnecessary.
I think when Song plays he see's himself in third person and think he's playing FIFA, always see him do some mad dash forward when he should be sitting in front of the back four.
Yep, agree about his constant flow of yellow cards. He's lucky to not be sent off more often, his stamp was horrible. I never thought he was a "vicious" player if that makes sense, just stupid and or dirty.
Yep, agree about his constant flow of yellow cards. He's lucky to not be sent off more often, his stamp was horrible. I never thought he was a "vicious" player if that makes sense, just stupid and or dirty.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 12 Mar 2009
- Posts
- 26,778
I have no idea why he even stamped on Barton, he must be pretty thick to think he could have gotten away with it. I think even Wenger can see we need to go into the transfer market now. I admire his long term plan of bringing the youngsters through, but they need to be playing alongside proven, experienced players and right now we don't have hardly any of those. Plus the system is completely wrong and the formation doesn't make the most of the players we have.
I still think Arsenal need a better holding midfielder, a centre back, now a left back (with all the will in the World Gibbs just isn't a) Good enough b) Ever fit for long enough)
I also think a natural poacher or goal scorer (I've always seen RVP as a great forward but he's injured and seems to enjoy linking play a lot too) and I think Arsenal need wingers, natural width and stop Wenger taking strikers or central midfielders and playing them wider.
This is just from a neutral, I suppose it's different if you watch them every game and read more about them, I thought Frimp showed glimpses but he's very raw and given his "mistakes" he still has a lot to learn. Rams hopefully will turn out to be the player everyone hoped he'd develop in to.
I also think a natural poacher or goal scorer (I've always seen RVP as a great forward but he's injured and seems to enjoy linking play a lot too) and I think Arsenal need wingers, natural width and stop Wenger taking strikers or central midfielders and playing them wider.
This is just from a neutral, I suppose it's different if you watch them every game and read more about them, I thought Frimp showed glimpses but he's very raw and given his "mistakes" he still has a lot to learn. Rams hopefully will turn out to be the player everyone hoped he'd develop in to.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 37,804
- Location
- block 16, cell 12
And to be fair to fergie he has seen that rio is old and injury prone and paid out for 2center backs while having the samba twins in training for the wingback roles, so we are good future wise and have adequate defensive cover now. wenger never went to town like that and so utd even with a complete back 4 wiped out, still seem pretty tough whereas with arsenal you are just waiting for something to go wrong. and when you take a few defensive injuries look pretty lightweight in this area.
I know it's a (badly) broken record but I'm not giving up hope until the transfer window is closed -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...chester-United-final-bid-Wesley-Sneijder.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...chester-United-final-bid-Wesley-Sneijder.html
Soldato
- Joined
- 7 Feb 2004
- Posts
- 9,511
I'd love to know what season DM's hate for Wenger first reared it's ugly head, I can imagine him wanting Wenger sacked the minute Arsenal lost their 49 match unbeaten run
Apparently Wenger didn't sign his shirt once at a match
I only had the luxury of watching motd but I didn't think we were anywhere near as bad as DM makes out. His main problem is that he is always negative for negatives sake. It does get tiresome.
I don't for a second think we should get rid of Wenger. I do think he needs better support. Pat Rice might do loads behind the scenes but I think he needs someone who is going to tell some home truths and also someone who can sort out the defending.
Keown, Adams? Me???
We have a good team with loads of young players with promise but I think that is what is finally getting to people now. For years we have been told that he is building a team of yougsters and by keeping them together they will excel. But every year one or two of them move on and we get young and promising youngsters in.
Instead of gaining experience and bonding we just sell our best players and get new ones in. Normally we end up being in about the same position afterwards.
This year however have sold our best player and kept selling. But we are not replacing the quality with equal quality. In fact we aren't replacing them at all it seems.
Wenger has kept us in the same position for years but I was under the impression that he was building a solid team that know each other inside and out. But now we have a team that have played with each other for about a season at most.
We have gone back about 10 years but with worse players. It is almost like starting from the beginning again. Last year is when Wenger should have gone, sod it and brought in four or five international class players.
Its not all doom and gloom but it is just a bit tough at the moment. I am looking forward to seeing them play on Wednesday. Should get a better understanding of the level of the team by watching the whole match rather than edited tv.
Nor have I, it has August 31st written all over it. Hope it does come to fruition like that, it's not enjoyable not being part of all that last minute drama
- Status