Prison Life

Prison is typically not the holiday that most brainless fools think it is.

There is a serious problem with drugs, which only serves to make rehabilitation that much harder, violence too. Yes, you can get a playstation, but you have to work in the prison for it. And even then it's not just handed to you with a catalogue of games for the lulz.

If you've been done for certain crimes where they have to isolate you from the rest for your safety, then often you'll get someone from that rest get themselves put in 'isolation' or the 'safe' wing just to shank you.

Unfortunately there is corruption through fear. You do get gangs. You do get your 'head cons' living in relative luxury due to their influence outside and within the prison.

But no, sorry to smash most people's fantasies, but it's not all happy, gadgets and slap-up meals. It's worse than basic nutrition for the most part, you're locked up with murderers, gangbangers and junkies despite you only committing a minor crime. Those people around you recieve little in the way of rehabilitation and so don't really become 'better people'.

It's a mess. Unfortunately very few people want to know the truth. Some think prisoners are going to holiday camps. It's not true. Some people think they should be locked up 23 hours a day. That's wrong, and it'll never allow them to repay their debt to society.

There are a few people around who believe prison should be about rehabilitation just as much as punishment. Working to make these people, whatever they've done, realise what they've done is wrong, and although they can never undo the damage they have done, perhaps contribute back into that society from which they took. It is that which I personally believe in. But there are problems, and they need to be sorted.

Whether they will be sorted or not is something I can't answer. And any progress will be hindered while we still have large amounts of people who want to set back our justice system a thousand years.
 
There is a serious problem with drugs, which only serves to make rehabilitation that much harder, violence too. Yes, you can get a playstation, but you have to work in the prison for it. And even then it's not just handed to you with a catalogue of games for the lulz.
A problem with drugs in what way, they keep the guests happy.
 
Queen Wasps; anyway my Mother worked in the prison service for a while; she stated to me they have a very easy life.

Do you guys know what cupping is? It when an inmate urinates into a cup and throws it over a passing officer.
 
A problem with drugs in what way, they keep the guests happy.

Happy, sure. But that's not conducive to rehabilitation!

This, pretty much. If you're in for drug-related crimes, then it's not exactly going to help. That and the criminality involved with drugs anyway, only further drags people into the criminal world rather than working to pull them out of it.
 
Ive seen the documentary made in the 70s, it ran for 3 years or so, it featured HMP Slade, not sure what the title was. Seemed all right to me. Apart from the superintendant was a bit of a hard case, the other officers on it seemed quite nice!
 
Seriously? I've met numerous people who work hard but can't afford things like games consoles and TVs.

I honestly do not beleive you - not anymore with technology pricing the way it is. I drove a 32" Panasonic widescreen television to the tip because even after advertising it as free to a good home and offering it to charity shops, nobody wanted it. It worked perfectly - a perfectly functional widescreen television. You cannot give these things away - if you really wanted one you could probably obtain one for less than the cost of a McDonalds Extra Value meal.

Ditto games consoles. An old Playstation is worthless. They go on Ebay for often 10 quid!

What you mean is that not everyone can afford a 50" LCD television and a Playstation 3. I agree with this, but then you wont find that setup in many prison cells either.

Hell, I wasn't allowed a games console until I was 12 because we "couldn't afford it".

But that was 10 years ago! 10 years ago I doubt prison in-mates had a Playstation either.
 
[TW]Fox;20152648 said:
I honestly do not beleive you - not anymore with technology pricing the way it is. I drove a 32" Panasonic widescreen television to the tip because even after advertising it as free to a good home and offering it to charity shops, nobody wanted it. It worked perfectly - a perfectly functional widescreen television. You cannot give these things away - if you really wanted one you could probably obtain one for less than the cost of a McDonalds Extra Value meal.

Ditto games consoles. An old Playstation is worthless. They go on Ebay for often 10 quid!

What you mean is that not everyone can afford a 50" LCD television and a Playstation 3. I agree with this, but then you wont find that setup in many prison cells either.


But that was 10 years ago! 10 years ago I doubt prison in-mates had a Playstation either.



I beg to differ, there are people in society that cannot afford things like games consoles and big screen televisions. Just because you had difficulty in giving away your old TV doesn't mean that everyone already has one or can afford one. It simply means that some people despite not having one also have enough pride not to accept charity or law abiding enough to not own a TV because they cannot afford the licence fee.

There are people in Britain today that are in what we would consider poverty, not absolute as in Africa, but enough that outside of the basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing they have little else.
 
I'm with Fox here, short of being in dodgy debts to loan sharks or something or spending all money on drugs it's impossible to be that poor in the UK. You can get a big TV for a tenner and a Playstation for the same.
 
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Well the length of incarceration generally covers that. More serious crimes get a longer sentence.



Seriously? I've met numerous people who work hard but can't afford things like games consoles and TVs. I once dated a girl whose family paid for their TV by putting a quid in a box next to it for each amount of time they wanted to use it.

Hell, I wasn't allowed a games console until I was 12 because we "couldn't afford it".

The length of incarceration is just one aspect really.

As for the people who work hard but can't afford games consoles and TVs, that'll be because it's low on the list of priorities of spends, they'll be running a house with all sorts of bills to pay and people to feed. A prisoner using the money they've earned within the prison to buy luxuries is quite a difference I think.

When you were 12, consoles were also much more expensive than they are now. :p
 
I beg to differ, there are people in society that cannot afford things like games consoles and big screen televisions. Just because you had difficulty in giving away your old TV doesn't mean that everyone already has one or can afford one. It simply means that some people despite not having one also have enough pride not to accept charity or law abiding enough to not own a TV because they cannot afford the licence fee.

There are people in Britain today that are in what we would consider poverty, not absolute as in Africa, but enough that outside of the basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing they have little else.

You do not need a television license to own a television and a Playstation. The fact I had difficulty in giving away a 32" television does indeed mean everyone can afford one - because everyone can afford a free to a good home television. Because it costs nothing but the electricity to run it and the £10 Ebay playstation you connect to it.
 
I guess that's why 1,000's of the British elderly die from the cold and cold related illnesses each year. :rolleyes:

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody said there are no poor people in the UK - we are simply arguing that its inaccurate to say that prisoners with a television and a Playstation are receiving something that others cannot afford.
 
I'm with Fox here, short of being in dodgy debts to loan sharks or something or spending all money on drugs it's impossible to be that poor in the UK. You can get a big TV for a tenner and a Playstation for the same.

No it isn't.

£10 is a lot of money to some people, not everyone reaps in huge amounts of benefits.

There is a skewed perception of poverty in this country mainly caused by misrepresentation in the tabloid media.
 
No it isn't.

£10 is a lot of money to some people, not everyone reaps in huge amounts of benefits.

For people in this level of poverty even putting food on the table is a challenge - is it therefore fair to say we shouldnt feed prisoners because some people not in prison cannot afford food?

Thats the point being disputed here - our point is that its ridiculous to state that a prisioner shouldnt have a television as if its some sort of luxury good - because it just isn't these days. It's a cheap disposable item.
 
Those that society has failed.

Oh boo hoo. Scumbag is in jail because 'society failed him'. More like he was an abusive delinquent at school because he CHOSE to be. He sold drugs because he CHOSE to. He stole cars because he CHOSE to. He glassed someone for looking at him because he CHOSE to. He's in prison because he CHOSE to take the risk.

Plenty of people come from broken homes. Some suffer abuse, physical or even sexual. They don't all turn into scum, so the 'society failed' doesn't hold water imo. It's just used as a prop to excuse their behaviour.


Punishment is not a deterrent. Punishment does not work.

Living as a normal functioning, generally law abiding citizen isn't that hard. 99% of the population manage it quite easily. If the same people are going to continue to break the law as prison is not a deterrent for them, then why put up with it at all? Do what the states do and have a three strikes law. Be convicted and sentenced to more then 1 year in prison three times and spend an extra 10-20 years there where they can't destroy the lives of those around them. Rack up 10 convictions for anything and go away for 10 years. I don't care about their rehabilitation, I care about not having my life ruined by some thug or my property stolen or destroyed because some thicko can't be bothered to work for a living.
 
[TW]Fox;20152780 said:
What on earth are you talking about? Nobody said there are no poor people in the UK - we are simply arguing that its inaccurate to say that prisoners with a television and a Playstation are receiving something that others cannot afford.

Make them pay their leccy bills, they won't be buying tv's and ps's then.
 
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