No, give me 8 average cores over 4 fast cores every day of the week.
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Yes.
So they can sit around idle?
PCI-E 3.0 8X = PCI-E 2.0 16X, making your bandwidth argument moot. I don't see why you're missing that?
1155 might be 8x/8x, but it'll be PCIE 3.0 making it the same bandwidth.
My point exactly.
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I should hope so as it's not like anything else needs that sort of processing power
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No, so that all 8 (or 7 of 8) will get used 24/7
Yes, and I said that you missed the point of my post. You use a few percentage points performance hit as an argument but ignore the massive performance difference between the actual platforms.
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You're in the minority.
But if you'll be using 8 threads 24/7, you're right, 8 average cores all the way.
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You do realise he was answering another poster talking about PCI-E 2.0 8X/8X and not PCI-E 3.0 8X. On top of this since Sandy Bridge has an on-die PCI-E controller it means you will need to wait until Ivy Bridge which is around six months away at least. Also, only a very few socket 1155 motherboards have PCI-E 3.0 ATM. Are they even available in the UK yet??
?? So maybe there are people who want to use loads of disks. You got to understand people have different needs for their computer than you. I myself have no need for more than 3 or 4 SATA devices so having a million SATA ports is not important for me.
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u said before this PCI-E 3.0 2X = PCI-E 2.0 16X, now your saying PCI-E 3.0 8X = PCI-E 2.0 16X.
lets just wait and see tbh.
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thank u mate.
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I know that, but I'm saying it'd be a moot point as you were taking about a future product.
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Technically every single 1155 board has PCI-E 3.0 support in the primary lane, why? Because it's controlled via the onboard PCI-E of the CPU, so for Ivy, that would make it PCI-E 3.0.
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Its also a moot point as the physical lanes have to be PCI-E 3.0 ready which is what ALL the motherboard companies are getting in a fuss about. If it was a simple BIOS update they would have announced it for ALL their current socket 1155 motherboards.
Quote my whole reply next time.
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Sorry, but you're wrong.
The lanes are exactly the same, they're all wired the same.
In Crossfire/SLI, you need switches, only a handful of boards have the PCI-E 3.0 switches, and they're only overclocked ones used for PCI-E 2.0.
We're talking about the 7000 series, naturally, talk about what's available at the time, so we'd have PCI-E 3.0 on the 1155 platform.
Also you quoted me talking about threads, then mentioned disks, which is why I never quoted it.
Never said you did. You're talking about PCI-E 2.0 on 1155. However, 7000 is 2012, as is Ivy and PCI-E 3.0 support.
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it wouldn't be to people that using 3.0 cards on a 2.0 boards
And?
Take out faulty drive, plug-in new drive oh look, RAID rebuilds. Not sure why you make it out to sound like a real pain to rebuild a RAID when it's a fully automated process.
At worst you might need to add the new disk back into the RAID pool but that's it.
Saying you want lots of individual disks for data redundancy is probably the most laughable argument against RAID I have ever head in my life. How is 3 to 4 disks a burden when you already run EIGHT as individual disks?
This is besides the point of the thread now but maybe 1 in 100 persons actually get value out of an AMD board with 21819281928 features when the other 99 would get away perfectly fine on a comparatively priced Intel board which had 1000 features. The argument "LOOK HOW MANY FEATURES PER £ I GET ON THIS AMD BOARD, MOST OF WHICH I DO NOT USE" is not an argument at all really, it's just daft.
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Then WHY has there not been an updated BIOS for ALL socket 1155 H61,H67,P67 and Z68 motherboards which enable PCI-E 3.0 support??
All the Ivy Bridge capable BIOSes have NOT announced PCI-E 3.0 capability to EXISTING motherboards.
The only motherboards which are touted to have PCI-E 3.0 ability are those which have designed from the beginning to accept it. Most socket 1155 motherboards do not have it.Fact.
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The first lane gets its bandwidth from the CPU.
The slots are all the same.
Ergo, a cheap 50 quid H61 will be able to support full PCI-E 3.0, regardless of when it was bought.
Is Ivy out yet? Nope. They need Ivy for the support.
Also ;
http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=1&p=2&v=24
Wait a minute, PCI-E 3.0 support for the boards which have Ivy support. I'd expect the list to become more comprehensive as Ivy comes closer.
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