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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Martini1991 said:
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It's only better valued if the owner uses it, if it doesn't, it's just there, doing nothing, giving nothing back for the money.
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Ignoring the intrinsically/inherently then yes.

But you don't need to buy anything at all when based on intrinsically/inherently when looking at 2 products and concluding which of the 2 are better value for what they offer even if you don't need or buy any of the 2 products.

My Sapphire 5970 toxics are not better value than the standard 5970s, even with the extra Vram and factory OC, even though i needed the Vram.

Need and value are 2 separate things.
 
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Final8y said:
Ignoring the intrinsically/inherently then yes.

But you don't need to buy anything at all when based on intrinsically/inherently when looking at 2 products and concluding which of the 2 are better value for what they offer even if you don't need or buy any of the 2 products.

My Sapphire 5970 toxics are not better value than the standard 5970s, even with the extra Vram and factory OC, even though i needed the Vram.
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To get that VRAM, you'd need to crossfire two 5870 2GB VRAM cards.
So yes, it is good value.

I'll leave the value debate alone, as seriously can't understand how you're justifying a platform with value when it offers a much lower base performance.
 
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tbh if amd couldn't of improved they performance over phenom II, why didn't they just use 8 phenom II core, it would have been faster and keep it a true 8 core.
 
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gareth170 said:
tbh if amd couldn't of they performance over phenom II, why didn't they just use 8 phenom II core, it would have been faster and keep it a true 8 core.
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Because the Bulldozer architecture will be good for the future.
They can "Add cores into modules" and "Add modules onto the die" using less space.

If there's a boom in programs being heavily multi-threaded then BD will be brilliant for it.

Also, die shrink, clocking ability, etc.
 
Martini1991 said:
Because the Bulldozer architecture will be good for the future.
They can "Add cores into modules" and "Add modules onto the die" using less space.

If there's a boom in programs being heavily multi-threaded then BD will be brilliant for it.

Also, die shrink, clocking ability, etc.
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but it will need to have at least 10 cores just to get to phenom ii level clock for clock in multi-threaded
 
Martini1991 said:
1)To get that VRAM, you'd need to crossfire two 5970 2GB VRAM cards.
So yes, it is good value.

2)I'll leave the value debate alone, as seriously can't understand how you're justifying a platform with value when it offers a much lower base performance.
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1) I don't understand.
CF does not give you more Vram.


2) Because again its 2 different point, features and performances are 2 different points and you can only see it from a performance point and not everyone needs the performance.
In you need performance then you buy Intel, pointing out that AMD motherboards are better value for money is not defending the platform as being better, its just pointing out facts.
 
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Final8y said:
1) I don't understand.
CF does not give you more Vram.


2) Because again its 2 different point, features and performances are 2 different points and you can only see it from a performance point and not everyone needs the performance.
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1.) Your Sapphire has "4GB" VRAM right? (2 x 2GB) = Total of 2GB usable. To get that same performance and VRAM, you'd need to Crossfire two 2GB 5870's (2 x 2GB) = 2GB usable VRAM. (I made a typo)

2.) Not everyone needs the performance? Not everyone needs the "features" leave the value debate alone, we differ. Value for money is what you spend and then use as far as I see it. Having features I don't use doesn't make it good value, as you could get a cheaper board with the features you use, now that would be value.
 
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gareth170;20264754[B said:
]i mean a 1090t/1100 beats a 8150 clock for clock even in multi-threaded apps[/B]

so BD would need at least 10 cores just to get to phenom ii performance level clock for clock in multi-threaded
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Only in app's that don't use 8 threads.
You can't really do clock for clock from 6 cores to 8 cores unless you compare using the same amount of threads.

I get what you're saying however.

Like I said ages ago, compare an FX6100 to an 1100T at the same clock, you'd be surprised. Hey look, I was right ;)
 
Martini1991 said:
1.) Your Sapphire has "4GB" VRAM right? (2 x 2GB) = Total of 2GB usable. To get that same performance and VRAM, you'd need to Crossfire two 2GB 5870's (2 x 2GB) = 2GB usable VRAM. (I made a typo)

2.) Not everyone needs the performance? Not everyone needs the "features" leave the value debate alone, we differ.
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1) 2GB 5870's were still at least £250 cheaper than the 5970 4GB, = £500 cheaper for my if i went 4x 5870 2GB.

2) We know you think that everyone needs performance over everything else.
 
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