AMD Bulldozer Finally!

[Final8y]

1)To get that VRAM, you'd need to crossfire two 5970 2GB VRAM cards.
So yes, it is good value.

2)I'll leave the value debate alone, as seriously can't understand how you're justifying a platform with value when it offers a much lower base performance.

1) I don't understand.
CF does not give you more Vram.


2) Because again its 2 different point, features and performances are 2 different points and you can only see it from a performance point and not everyone needs the performance.
In you need performance then you buy Intel, pointing out that AMD motherboards are better value for money is not defending the platform as being better, its just pointing out facts.

 

[Martini1991]

1) I don't understand.
CF does not give you more Vram.


2) Because again its 2 different point, features and performances are 2 different points and you can only see it from a performance point and not everyone needs the performance.

1.) Your Sapphire has "4GB" VRAM right? (2 x 2GB) = Total of 2GB usable. To get that same performance and VRAM, you'd need to Crossfire two 2GB 5870's (2 x 2GB) = 2GB usable VRAM. (I made a typo)

2.) Not everyone needs the performance? Not everyone needs the "features" leave the value debate alone, we differ. Value for money is what you spend and then use as far as I see it. Having features I don't use doesn't make it good value, as you could get a cheaper board with the features you use, now that would be value.

 

[gareth170]

Sorry mate, I don't understand that?

i mean a 1090t/1100 beats a 8150 clock for clock even in multi-threaded apps

so BD would need at least 10 cores just to get above phenom ii performance level clock for clock in multi-threaded

 

[Martini1991]

]i mean a 1090t/1100 beats a 8150 clock for clock even in multi-threaded apps[/B]

so BD would need at least 10 cores just to get to phenom ii performance level clock for clock in multi-threaded

Only in app's that don't use 8 threads.
You can't really do clock for clock from 6 cores to 8 cores unless you compare using the same amount of threads.

I get what you're saying however.

Like I said ages ago, compare an FX6100 to an 1100T at the same clock, you'd be surprised. Hey look, I was right

 

[Final8y]

1.) Your Sapphire has "4GB" VRAM right? (2 x 2GB) = Total of 2GB usable. To get that same performance and VRAM, you'd need to Crossfire two 2GB 5870's (2 x 2GB) = 2GB usable VRAM. (I made a typo)

2.) Not everyone needs the performance? Not everyone needs the "features" leave the value debate alone, we differ.

1) 2GB 5870's were still at least £250 cheaper than the 5970 4GB, = £500 cheaper for my if i went 4x 5870 2GB.

2) We know you think that everyone needs performance over everything else.

 

[Martini1991]

1) 2GB 5870's were still at least £200 cheaper.

2) We know you think that everyone needs performance over everything else.

1.) How much were 2, 2gb 5870's? How much was your sapphire toxic?
2.) No I don't...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It seems the review of the FX8150 was not using Windows 7 SP1:

http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/spi_5066.jpg

 

[Final8y]

1.) How much were 2, 2gb 5870's? How much was your sapphire toxic?
2.) No I don't...

Sapphire toxic £950 each.

2gb 5870 about £320-350 if i remember correctly as i was thinking of going 3x instead.

 

[Martini1991]

Sapphire toxic £950 each.

2gb 5870 about £320-350 if i remember correctly as i was thing of going 3x instead.

Nevermind, you screwed yourself over value for money wise
I thought that a 5970 toxic would have cost less than two 5870 2GB's.

 

[gareth170]

Only in app's that don't use 8 threads.
You can't really do clock for clock from 6 cores to 8 cores unless you compare using the same amount of threads.

I get what you're saying however.

Like I said ages ago, compare an FX6100 to an 1100T at the same clock, you'd be surprised. Hey look, I was right

CINEBENCH uses all threads and the results we've seen so far a 1100t still beats a 8150 clock for clock

 

[DragonQ]

It seems the review of the FX8150 was not using Windows 7 SP1:

http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/spi_5066.jpg

...which makes no difference whatsoever.

 

[Martini1991]

CINEBENCH uses all threads and the results we've seen so far a 1100t still beats it clock for clock

I know the 1100T beats it clock for clock, but I mean, are you basing it core for core? or 6 versus 8?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

...which makes no difference whatsoever.

IIRC,AMD released some updates for Linux during the summer regarding Bulldozer.

Edit!!

If you see the leaked slides from AMD,the Windows 8 schedulers give upto 10% improvement in game performance. On top of this even SMT needed proper support in Windows.

 

[sunama]

... there are plenty of home users who use more than me with 12-16 disk RAIDs.

Who exactly are these home users who are using 16 hard disks?
I have 7 hard disks, in total, for 3 computers and that's a lot.

To have a single array of 16 disks, in a home, is very rare.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32390067&postcount=192

16MB cache ? Can someone confirm ?

This processor could be an SMP monster in the right hands. For you gamers who don't know about the loves of compute - avoid

 

[Final8y]

Nevermind, you screwed yourself over value for money wise
I thought that a 5970 toxic would have cost less than two 5870 2GB's.

I could not fit 3x 5870 2GB so i had to go the more costly road.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32390067&postcount=192

16MB cache ? Can someone confirm ?

This processor could be an SMP monster in the right hands. For you gamers who don't know about the loves of compute - avoid

8MB L3 cache and 8MB L2 cache.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

8MB L3 cache and 8MB L2 cache.

Ahhh yes thanks - now I remember ! the L2 / L3 trick - Still ok

 

[gareth170]

I know the 1100T beats it clock for clock, but I mean, are you basing it core for core? or 6 versus 8?

6 versus 8

i think most people would have thought a 8core would beat a 6corre even at clock for clock in multi-threaded apps

 

[Martini1991]

...which makes no difference whatsoever.

Depends..