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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

grandmaster said:
On what grounds?
You wont be able to perform in bed???
(Joke)

Seriously though, what will be disappointing. Just make a list so we can quote unquote aswell :)

Otherwise you can revel in your glory as everyone were wrong and your list of disappointments (in bullet form) youre about to post, comes true!

EDIT - How do you know its GPU bottlenecked? Are we saying the people who did them do not know about bottlenecking or never took that under consideration? Are you sure its bottlenecked? Have you checked their specs and ran the test yourself to see that the GPU is in fact, bottlenecking?

Even if it is bottlenecked, that means everyone who runs a system like that will be bottlenecking anyway, therefore making that argument redundant.
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Its clearly bottlenecked. Unless your implying that a 400mhz overclock has no performance increase...
 
I agree that we have no evidence to prove otherwise, but you are clearly warping the arguement they are making.
I suggest you look to see if there is a difference between 580 and SLI580's and then tell us the SINGLE GTX580 is not the bottleneck...
 
People who do not conform to your trepid thought are trolls? Err nuh.

Maybe the game isnt as CPU demanding? Overclocking to the moon wont make a difference on Frames. It is not clearly bottlenecked unless you can say IN FACT that it is.

Yes i am implying that a 600mhz overclock doesnt have a performance increase in BF3 from a iSB chip.

Speculating it doesnt make it fact. Simple.
 
grandmaster said:
People who do not conform to your trepid thought are trolls? Err nuh.

Maybe the game isnt as CPU demanding? Overclocking to the moon wont make a difference on Frames. It is not clearly bottlenecked unless you can say IN FACT that it is.

Yes i am implying that a 600mhz overclock doesnt have a performance increase in BF3 from a iSB chip.

Speculating it doesnt make it fact. Simple.
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Nope, people who aren't making sense are.
The GTX580 is the bottleneck in that BF3 result, the same way an 9600GT would be and show the same result on every CPU used (Pretty much, until you hit a CPU bottleneck)
That is simply fact. The SB 2500K can push more frames than a Phenom II, that is fact, however since the GTX580 isn't able to push it past the limits of the CPU you hit the bottleneck, which is in this case, the GTX580.
 
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grandmaster said:
People who do not conform to your trepid thought are trolls? Err nuh.

Maybe the game isnt as CPU demanding? Overclocking to the moon wont make a difference on Frames. It is not clearly bottlenecked unless you can say IN FACT that it is.

Yes i am implying that a 600mhz overclock doesnt have a performance increase in BF3 from a iSB chip.

Speculating it doesnt make it fact. Simple.
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If it wasn't bottlenecked AND it wasn't frame limited, you would get more FPS.

Even if those frames were identical (ie, no scene changes), you would get more FPS.

It's either GPU bottlenecked or frame limited.
 
Do i really have to go to the effort of running my rig as:

4.0ghz 2500k 1x6950
4.0ghz 2500k 2x6950

4.8ghz 2500k 1x6950
4.8ghz 2500k 2x6950

to prove to you that a single 580 is limiting the game more than cpu having limited performance increases at higher clocks?
 
grandmaster said:
Heres a fact for you. According to the benchmarks, In BF3 Beta, a GTX 580, with an AMD X4, pishes more frames, than an I5 2500k or a I7 2600k overclocked.
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1.) It falls under the error of margin 2.) That's because it's a GPU bottleneck.

You could run that test multiple times and get a different winner out of the top ones every time.

grandmaster said:
Are you saying an SLi setup would make the Intel stand far out from the AMD benchmarks?
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Relieving the GPU benchmark and requiring the CPU's to produce more frames, as long as the GPU's are pumping out more frames than the CPU's are capable of.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
not in bf3 ;)

quite under whelmed at how a single 580 gtx does in bf3 tbh not worth 360 .00 for 55 fps
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There's no law that says people have to run all their games maxed.

If a new engine was released today, that could only be run maxed in 10 years time, would all today's gfx cards be crap because they could only put out 3 FPS maxed?

Nope. You'd just scale back the settings for the next 10 years :p
 
yes but a 360.00 card which runs at 55 fps no thanks. might aswell keep same card i have until next gen .

only difference is you can run high or ultra at same res with same fps
 
The following chart was posted on XS.

3dsmax.jpg


It seems to be from this review site:

http://www.ozeros.com/2011/10/labs-¡amd-fx-en-ozeros/

It looks like the top three charts are for the FX CPUs.

The Core i7 charts which are blurred have a three in them?? :confused:
 
~>Dg<~ said:
yes but a 360.00 card which runs at 55 fps no thanks. might aswell keep same card i have until next gen .

only difference is you can run high or ultra at same res with same fps
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Too right. If im paying that much for a GPU, not only do i expect supreme frame rates, but it better wipe my..nose too!
 
Helpful :p
EDIT : AMD in my experience have always been good at 3DSMax rendering. my 965 at 4GHZ could outpace a 4GHZ Q9550 (I think, it was the same or something)
 
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