thats zatar wetlands isnt it. is thta in B2K pack?
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thats zatar wetlands isnt it. is thta in B2K pack?
Nope that map is Zatar wetlands and it's not in the DLC. Expect more of a BC2 experience rather than BF2 with BF3, Dice have basically clustered all the caps in the middle of these " big maps " to keep the infantry busy. Biggest BF2 map is highway tampa.
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I'll be playing wake island with a permanent semi
Love that map, in 1943/Bf2 and now BF3, I would think that more BF2 maps will be in the pipeline for DLC, in fact I think it's pretty much guaranteed.
Operation Metro:
" Because of its diverse sections, it's a map that asks you to constantly adapt your class and load out. "
Epic fail on the most part during the beta then. Lost count the number of times i seen people only using the sniper rifle. Most of the time on my squad too. Thats randoms for you i guess.
Diverse sections?
How many rounds of Metro actually got to the last sites to destroy/defend?
So many rounds ended either outside at the start or the first two sites inside.
Can't see many people bothering with Metro in the full game, got sick to death of it to be honest.
Of the nine maps chosen, they gave us the worse one for the majority of the beta. At least the worst of the maps has come and gone. Caspian on the otherhand was a delight to be on
Operation Firestorm sounds like the map all us BF fans have been crying for but could the size of it be too big?
Looks like a few people will be getting stranded in the middle of nowhere on that map.
Can't wait
Assault Medics are intended to be holding back a little keeping people alive and providing additional support for front-line Assault, rather than charging into gunfights.
Support are supposed to provide supporting cover to prevent the front-line being flanked or overran, while providing ammo.
Snipers are meant to be stand-off units, picking targets off from a safe distance, and giving people info about whats in their area.
Engineers are supposed to be on the 2nd line, taking out heavy armour, and repairing friendly units.
In (BF) reality... how often does all the above *actually* happen
I wouldnt say thats Dice's fault though, they cant force you to adapt to the circumstances and increase your effectiveness, if people are stupid enough to stick with something that isnt suited to the surroundings then thats their choice. I cant think of many times where i opted to change my load-out purely because of where i was at the time (I was playing Support) but there would be times when changing a couple of things would make more sense.
Putting a flash suppressor onto any of the guns in a darkened location would make more sense, while outdoors you'd prefer to go with a heavy barrel or something more suitable.
Chances are, people will die and carry on going as they were, rather than make tweaks. You carry what your comfortable with. If you had them on you at all times and could switch at the press of a button those things would get more use, but instead i think people will stick with what they're familiar with, rather than going through menus to enable/disable something.
Regarding firestorm, they've said its about 3x the size of Atacama 'which was one of the biggest maps'... well surely Heavy Metal was the biggest? I'd say 50% bigger than Atacama, so twice the size of Heavy Metal... that is pretty big, but when you consider BC2 was 32 player max, this can/will have 64 then it should be alright. It might be a little dull for infantry though, Jets flying overhead, Heli's spraying gunfire, tanks firing from the distance, and the folks on foot having to hike from one flag to the next. Vehicles tend to focus on taking out other vehicles, i just wonder with all that map space and tiny little soldiers not in vehicles expected to fight each other, i'd be concerned that it'd turn into sniper vs sniper, while everyone else hides somewhere waiting for someone to come to them, cos they'll either get sniped, tanked, heli'd...
The linear path the flags supposedly follow isnt that appealing either. Its fine on some of the BC2 maps, works really well. But i suspect it'd be better if it was more open, more BF2's Daqing Oilfields than BC2's White Pass, but its too early to tell, it depends what flanking options there are, beyond flying a jet and bailing to take a flag behind them. If your bottlenecked 32v32 then it'll be a messy affair, i suspect it probably wont.
Im liking the sound of Noshahr Canals so far, but of all the maps Caspian is still the one that appeals to me the most, we've had desert maps, middle eastern city maps, some green/brown countryside landscapes but they've been nothing like Caspian border.
Let me loose into some lush green landscape, let me blow seven shades of $&*% out of it all and laugh
Its a stunningly beautiful map, feels very natural and realistic, plenty of natural cover and it has distinct areas which feel right. Just from pictures alone, i'd pick that map every day of the week, its a nice change of scenery.http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/...ge-map-flags-clustered-together-not-good.html
Infantry will have no problem finding each other on any 64 conquest maps with the new Dice clustered map design. All that map and the caps are centralized in the middle, hell you don't even need a vehicle to get from one cap to the next, it's that short. Same thing with Caspian.
Ughh, they really are making a mess of things arent they
There was certainly a case for the fact that one quite a lot of the open maps if you werent in a jeep going from flag to flag, then you'd have quite a run to get to the next base, and ran the risk of being spotted by a tank, and if you decided to stay and defend a flag then you were likely to meet up with that same tank who'd blow you sky high, but at least they'd come to you.
Its hard to tell though, it might seem better having open maps rather than clustered ones, but maybe it just provides better action for everyone, rather than everyone being spread out over the map rarely seeing each other. Perhaps having closer maps means if tanks want to get involved, chances are their will be a couple of engineers knocking about who can take you out, so you have to balance aggressive actions with cautious ones. Jets will just have 1 area to focus on, if they had bombs (which i dont think they do) they'd just drop them anywhere randomly they'd kill 6 people due to the fact that everyones squashed into such a small area
But there should still be fairly open maps, just like they're not all middle east based city maps, there should be a variety where things play out differently, where you need to take a different approach to it. Not a 'Same $*&%, different location' approach.
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They should just do whatever they did in BF2.
Tbh, steam and origin are both miniscule programs that run in the background, though origin's download speeds are far superior than steam (for me), i dont see what the big fuss is about having another program running, bf3 wll never be on steam, ea want all the money for this game for themselves.
About 2 weeks ago, yeah, but that was purely a rumour which has gone quiet.
Ultimately though, you're going to have to face facts, you HAVE to use origin, that part is not optional, whoever you buy it from. Theres no getting around that, no matter how much Steam fanboys & the anti-Origin folks want that to change, its built into the game. You cant play Deus-Ex without Steam, its part of the DRM, just like BF3 will use Origin.
The only thing buying it from Steam would do is give them ~£10 profit, and you another game in your catalog. Theres not really anything EA have to gain really, anyone petty enough to refuse to buy BF3 because its not on steam is pretty pathetic, im sure plenty will claim they wont, just like they refused to buy L4D2
but they will, and EA know this. Whether you buy it from shop A, B, C or D, EA are getting their cut, and Origin is getting installed on that PC. Selling it via Steam would be just another shop selling it, like direct2drive, and as long as it suits EAs requirements/demands they wont give a damn who's selling it. If Steam bend to EAs demands, and a compromise is found, maybe it'll be sold on there, but it wont change the fact that everyone who cant stand Origin will still have to go through Origin - Thats the DRM, just like Steamworks and GfWL.Fair enough if you dont want to give EA £40 of your cash, but go elsewhere, theres key selling sites which are far cheaper and give you pretty much the same thing (they're selling a key from a retail game, your just adding it to Origin and downloading it, its not specificly a discounted origin key, just a discounted retail key which activates on origin) or get it via a retailer like OCUK or one of the many other options. I just dont get the fascination with Steam, they rip you off (and i fully understand and appreciate they have to charge RRP) for what you can get elsewhere for 25% or more discount. It just doesnt appeal to me at all. I've preordered it for £23, for £40 i'd expect the Dice guys to come round and install it for me!
Personally, i couldnt give a hoot about any of them, i dont find either intrusive, unusable, or either better than the other from when ive used them (yeah, steam has better functions... im sure origin has some... dont use any though, just load the damn game and get out of my way!). Price & service is what determines where i shop, and im not paying RRP on Origin or Steam prices - ever, certainly not while theres an alternative option, and i dont own a DVD drive, so the disc is useless to me, i still have to 'acquire' the disc files just like a digital download in order to install & play it.
Operation Metro:
" Because of its diverse sections, it's a map that asks you to constantly adapt your class and load out. "
Epic fail on the most part during the beta then. Lost count the number of times i seen people only using the sniper rifle. Most of the time on my squad too. Thats randoms for you i guess.
Diverse sections?
How many rounds of Metro actually got to the last sites to destroy/defend?
So many rounds ended either outside at the start or the first two sites inside.
Can't see many people bothering with Metro in the full game, got sick to death of it to be honest.
Of the nine maps chosen, they gave us the worse one for the majority of the beta. At least the worst of the maps has come and gone. Caspian on the otherhand was a delight to be on
Operation Firestorm sounds like the map all us BF fans have been crying for but could the size of it be too big?
Looks like a few people will be getting stranded in the middle of nowhere on that map.
Can't wait
The map changed for me once I got the smoke launcher unlock even one person using it really changed the dynamic of the map the stuff is so dense and no dx9 hackers ignoring it now
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/...ge-map-flags-clustered-together-not-good.html
Infantry will have no problem finding each other on any 64 conquest maps with the new Dice clustered map design. All that map and the caps are centralized in the middle, hell you don't even need a vehicle to get from one cap to the next, it's that short. Same thing with Caspian.
for every person like yourself there is someone like me who doesnt want to be dominated from the air or by tanks and prefers infantry heavy action with the option to mix it up with armour
had some of the most fun as a clan player in years on the beta defending checkpoint as a squad on ts from 2+ squads and tanks
with only the odd apearence of friendly armour to assist
and before you pronouce I have been playing from x battlefield well iam the same and a veteran of every battlefield and countless other fps
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Same here, didnt even bother with the jets or the chopper, used the ground based vehicles when i had the chance but the majority was spent on foot.
Stingers and rpg's do a decent job of helping out, as do the mines. Tried hitting choppers with rpg's, got close a few times but not close enough.
All the action going on, jets, helicopters, tanks and infantry taking each other on is what BF is all about.
C'mon the 28th
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He has a 3.74 K/D. Don't even bother asking for a link because you're not prepared for the amount of awesome on that mythical stats page!
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Will we have to pay for all the DLC for battlefield 3 ? i know you have to buy them for call of duty, I would hate to miss out on those maps, back to karkand, gulf of oman and others people have mentioned as i never played bf 2 or 1942, only ever played bad company 2 and love it
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Yep by all accounts, same posts here and there,
Yet again it seems the negative force are getting back into "this game sucks", for x, y, z, reason. Clearly having played the game on all maps its clear fact to them, o wait?
Let’s wait and play it,
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