AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Final8y · 21 Oct 2011 at 13:41

manveruppd said:
Hehe I do that even though I'm only on a C2D. In fact I do it a lot less than I used to cause installing things is reasonably fast on this, but I used to do it a lot back when I had a single core (Athlon XP 1700+, then moved to a 2500+ XP-M @2.2). Since everything was going on a single hard disk too it probably slowed things down MASSIVELY, but I still did it, even when it led to everything crashing and burning - I was just too impatient!

LOL, I'm a patient man but if i think i can get away with more at once i will.

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 14:39

Lets see if the fx8150 actually turns up today. My vote's on no.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Oct 2011 at 15:36

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Bulldozer is actually smaller than Thuban and IIRC they are only buying usable chips from Global Foundries,meaning the latter is probably taking the hit.

The FX4100 uses the same die as the FX6100 and FX8100 series and is around £90 to £95. The FX8120 is around £160 to £170. I suspect they could make a profit even selling the FX8150 at £140.

Martini1991 said:
Bulldozer FX 8150 is two billion transistors...

SB 2500k is less than half of that.
The Phenom II 1100T is over 900 million transistors.

Thuban is 346MM2 and Bulldozer is 315MM2.

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 15:40

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Thuban is 346MM2 and Bulldozer is 315MM2.

I was talking transistor count, but which do you think is harder to make, Thuban or Bulldozer? That'll be Bulldozer, which is running hotter and consuming more power with horrendous yields? Bulldozer, which would make I assume the die size frugal in this situation.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Oct 2011 at 15:48

Martini1991 said:
I was talking transistor count, but which do you think is harder to make, Thuban or Bulldozer? That'll be Bulldozer, which is running hotter and consuming more power with horrendous yields? Bulldozer, which would make I assume the die size frugal in this situation.

Again they are paying for usable chips as been mentioned in multiple news articles. So it is Global Foundries which is taking the main hit here,not AMD.

On top of this it really seems they are diverting a lot of Bulldozer production towards commercial customers. They are supplying 38400 16 core Bulldozer CPUs to Cray for Oak Ridge National Laboratory. That basically means nearly 77000 8 core Bulldozer dies just for one customer and that was known before launch.

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 15:54

I hate the theory, but end of the day, we have no 8150 stock, all the theory talk isn't going to change that.
The stock we have is failed 8 parts so far.

At least as regards the consumers, we don't know if they've supplied all these CPU's yet for commercial market.

chaotic_uk · 21 Oct 2011 at 16:28

just sent an enote or what ever it is called lol to cancel my pre-order , also asked if i can order the 1100T instead and if not i will ask for refund

manveruppd · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:05

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Thuban is 346MM2 and Bulldozer is 315MM2.

Is that per core/module, or for the whole chip?

I really wonder whether they needed 2MB L2 cache per module. If the idea of getting each module to share 1 FPU was to keep the transistor count low, they more than made up the difference by having such a large cache. It's twice as much (per core, four times as much per module) than Sandybridge. Would love to see some benchmarks of parts with some of the cache disabled to see how much difference it actually makes.

gareth170 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:39

Martini1991 said:
I hate the theory, but end of the day, we have no 8150 stock, all the theory talk isn't going to change that.
The stock we have is failed 8 parts so far.

At least as regards the consumers, we don't know if they've supplied all these CPU's yet for commercial market.

ocuk had some 8150 today. mine as be shiped.

most be a back log pre order list

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:41

gareth170 said:
ocuk got some 8150 today. mine as be shiped.

Seems like a hand full though, I know there *was* stock, because it showed up in the products, but when I looked at it, it's on pre-order. So we don't have stock

Are you still going Intel aswell then?

mmj_uk · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:47

Time for a 'user feedback' thread then?

Will you be overclocking yours Gareth? I'm interested to see how the average user gets on with it.

gareth170 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:49

Martini1991 said:
Seems like a hand full though, I know there *was* stock, because it showed up in the products, but when I looked at it, it's on pre-order.

Are you still going Intel aswell then?

yes.. im most likely sending the 8150 back under DSR

i have a question if i open/try the 8150 can i still send it back under DSR, if im not happy with it?

gareth170 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:50

mmj_uk said:
Time for a 'user feedback' thread then?

Will you be overclocking yours Gareth? I'm interested to see how the average user gets on with it.

yes

mmj_uk · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:50

gareth170 said:
i have a question if i open/try the 8150 can i still send it back under DSR, if im not happy with it?

Yes but it's poor form really, DSR isn't there just so you can rent or test things.

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:51

You should be able to DSR it fine from a legal stand point.

mmj_uk said:
Yes but it's poor form really, DSR isn't there just so you can rent or test things.

My opinion likewise, though I was going to do the same thing, except not from OCUK

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sunama · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:53

Martini, do you work for OCUK?

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:55

sunama said:
Martini, do you work for OCUK?

Nope, I'm a no-body, I just speak my opinion.

The 8150 isn't in stock right now is it? We know it's been in stock, as it's showed up on latest product (Which products do when they arrive stockwise).

From what I heard, there was a few hundred 8150's heading for the UK E-tailors, OCUK seemed to have gotten priority.

sunama · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:55

gareth170 said:
yes.. im most likely sending the 8150 back under DSR

i have a question if i open/try the 8150 can i still send it back under DSR, if im not happy with it?

You could sell the cpu on an auction site. Given the rarity of the CPU, I'm pretty sure that you should be able to get back almost the full price you have paid for it.

If it were me, I would sell it, rather than returning it under DSR...if only because you have used the CPU and probably overclocked it as well.

gareth170 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:57

mmj_uk said:
Yes but it's poor form really, DSR isn't there just so you can rent or test things.

if im not happy with a product surely thats what the dsr is for..

shoping online is not like walking in a shop and able to look the product working and try it yourself before buying

Martini1991 · 21 Oct 2011 at 17:59

gareth170 said:
if im not happy with a product surely thats what the dsr is for..

shoping online is not like walking in a shop and able to look the product working and try it yourself before buying

Depends on your interpretation, you're well within your consumer rights to do that, however, OCUK can't re-sell that CPU as brand new or OEM, it has to be B-Grade, in some ways the E-tailer gets "kicked in the teeth" with DSR.