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AMD Bulldozer Finally!

Martini1991 said:
They did and have :p
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I read the Anandtech, HardOCP, and another couple of reviews, none of them mentioned crashes even at 4.5GHz overclocks! The HardOCP guy mentioned some cores shutting down (but without BSODing or anything), which might be just the CPU trying to keep the heat down rather than a bug. Big reputable sites, I'm sure they'd have said if they ran into them!
 
dont buy BD too hurry, just wait for few months as i would think it best to wait until into 2012 also price wil. fall down as well.. im interesting to get one but wait for 2nd gen bulldozer due anytime in 2012 so plenty of time as clock run so fast as xmas is 8 weeks away... just wait and save yer money first then see what happen in the 2012.
 
kitch9 said:
If there's one thing I can absolutely guarantee is that there will be an improved stepping with improved power draw soon.

Simply because there HAS to be.
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Indeed. BD isn't really ready for prime time. The reason AMD released it was because it was already well behind schedule. Over the next 6 months I think we can expect to see a couple of stepping's that should bring down the power draw which should in turn allow for higher clock speeds.
 
Yea with improvements and a heavy price cut, BD could still be a success.

But I would think for it to be a win rather than a fail, they really need to bring the 8150 down to £150....
 
Still not bit the bullet personally. Price is getting even more tempting though. Ivy bridge is slated for early next year isn't it?
 
If you can wait, then why not get Ivy Bridge?
If you are need a new computer now, then you get a 2500K now, then upgrade to Ivy bridge when it releases next year.

As was stated above, this AMD CPU is a niche product which performs great in a limited number of scenarios. If you know for a fact that the main usage of the computer is going to utilize the BD well, then it's worth the money...otherwise, I can't see why anybody would want to buy a BD.
 
wolvers said:
Yeah, for sure they'll try..............
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They will do it too, they've done it before. Intel have had to do it in the past also.

The manufacturing process will naturally improve which automatically mean a lot of the issues of the chip are solved, and AMD will find (Or have already found and just implementing) fixes.

The chips a decent multi tasker, its not all bad, it needs quicker clocks and less power and they should be set.
 
Martini1991 said:
But even at 150 quid, you can't make programs use the cores.
It's a niche product.
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I agree £150 would be a more sensible price but like you say this CPU is still flawed due to the comparatively poor IPC.

Can AMD even afford to sell it for £150 though? given that it's 2billion transistor monster are they even making any profit at £200?
 
mmj_uk said:
I agree £150 would be a more sensible price but like you say this CPU is still flawed due to the comparatively poor IPC.

Can AMD even afford to sell it for £150 though? given that it's 2billion transistor monster are they even making any profit at £200?
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Bulldozer is actually smaller than Thuban and IIRC they are only buying usable chips from Global Foundries,meaning the latter is probably taking the hit.

The FX4100 uses the same die as the FX6100 and FX8100 series and is around £90 to £95. The FX8120 is around £160 to £170. I suspect they could make a profit even selling the FX8150 at £140.
 
Martini1991 said:
But even at 150 quid, you can't make programs use the cores.
It's a niche product.
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No, but you can choose to use the programs that do make the best use of the cores and avoid the single threaded stuff. The single threaded stuff will be mostly older programs that even the crappest of CPU's shouldn't have a problem with anyway.

Cpu reviews are good for an idea but most don't really give an indication of real world use, I mean nobody would only use a single thread to encode videos unless they were mental for instance.

There's plenty of choice out there, games are becoming more multi threaded, drivers are becoming multi threaded, DX11 is now multi threaded, and there's plenty of multi threaded apps for most jobs.

BD would be a decent chip if it had less power draw, 10% more IPC and 10% more clocks, and sorting 2 out of those 3 as a minimum that should be fairly attainable over the next few months I would imagine.
 
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