Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back

deko said:
Everyone seems to assume that for people with no qualifications there are a million jobs and they are all too lazy to get one. It doesn't quite work like that.
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It does work like that, but because they would rather sit on the arses and eat KFC while playing GTA4 those jobs ended up getting taken by a workforce borught over through immigration from other parts of EU.

This is what gave us the generation of Obese bigoted racists we have today that shout about damn poles , wops, greasers etc taking our jobs.

Well fatso's those jobs were there at the start but you liked the taste of benefits given to you by Blair et al. to secure you loyality at the polling stations.
 
deko said:
Everyone seems to assume that for people with no qualifications there are a million jobs and they are all too lazy to get one. It doesn't quite work like that.
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Can't get a job even if you have qualifications these days, every interview I've ever been to they say "what experience do you have" but out of uni all I had was bar work
 
Glaucus said:
What a silly moment. Many of us have better jobs than that and many of us have such jobs which need no qualifications.
Telecoms call centre best that can be hopped for. Really, did you really just say that.
Works work at the end of the day and you should take anything out their. That's the biggest dopifferece between people is attitude.
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I think you need to take your blinkers off and look at the real world. I'm done talking to you
 
oulton said:
I think you need to take your blinkers off and look at the real world. I'm done talking to you
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Saying the best job avilable to young people is a telecoms call centre. Now that's blinkered.
Just look at the huge range of jobs on this forum heavily dominated by young people.
 
Glaucus said:
Of course not, I will take any work I can get my hands on be it a one off shift or full employment I will go out and search for it. I will work any hour of the day in any environment.
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Hahaha what a monkey you are! Work monkey work, your master wants another Rangerover for his totty :D
 
oulton said:
Glaucus which decent potential future employers are you refering to exactly? The absolute BEST you can hope for nowadays unless you are extremely well conected and have a supportive and financially stable family is a job in a telecoms call centre, earning 6 quid an hour and being tracked for every minute of the day. That is the best our young people have to look foreward to.

Industry in the UK is nonexistent thanks to Thather and her ilk, we followed milton friendmans economic policy of selling labour to the cheapest bidder and now the countries we sold it to are booming at an unbelievable rate!
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Glaucus said:
1st you have no idea what the policies are, can shops just take on hundreds of JSA people, I very much doubt it.
Will companies risk such a stratagem with untested, untrained staff not showing up or not doing the work, again I don't think so.

If they can get work they should take it. If JSA gives you that much money it needs cutting.

Last bit I agree with. Unfortunately no government is doing enough in sectors we should be huge in. One of the biggest should be renewable energy and green tech. We are ideally suited to this sector.
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Considering Tesco are in the game to make money only and idiot would think profit driven companies wouldn't try to exploit this scheme.

How about say if you attend all 8 weeks, work to a standard we will happily give references and personally approve you for a job and give you a voucher for £200 to spend in your local store.
 
Glaucus said:
Of course not, I will take any work I can get my hands on be it a one off shift or full employment I will go out and search for it. I will work any hour of the day in any environment.
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The saddest irony is.

People like you are the ones some of us are trying to defend.

I've done well in life, but appreciate it's just to external factors others would not have been so fortunate to receive.

Good parents/role models/reading material etc.

I don't feel pride about working hard, I just do because I was lucky enough to be able to develop the traits required to achieve.

I fail to see the value in wishing further hardship on people less fortunate than I am.

As another poster said, you don't have to be poor to wish for greater equality in the UK - I think you will find the real chav's don't give a toss about politics or equality.
 
cheets64 said:
How about say if you attend all 8 weeks, work to a standard we will happily give references and personally approve you for a job and give you a voucher for £200 to spend in your local store.
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or you know what the scheme offers a guaranteed interview and perhaps a job.
Companies and it's not just tesco, get to see people working and see the hrs workers, they will more than likely vpbe given a job. Why try an unknown when you have some one who has been working hard for 8 weeks.
 
Glaucus said:
or you know what the scheme offers a guaranteed interview and perhaps a job.
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The thing is - if these positions exist for Tesco et al to take these less than minimum works on, then these positions exist (albeit probably less because those positions would be paid more).

Why are these people therefore not guaranteed a job after a successful, based presumably on certain standards, probation?
 
Some of the stereotypes of unemployed people on here are getting hilarious. Eating KFC, playing Xbox on 50" plasmas, popping out 10+ children. I bet the people making these generalisations have never even walked through a council estate. A few weeks ago a couple killed themselves in a suicide pact because they thought they couldn't afford to live due to the benefit cuts, they used to have to walk 10 miles every day to the nearest soup kitchen to get food.
 
scorza said:
A few weeks ago a couple killed themselves in a suicide pact because they thought they couldn't afford to live due to the benefit cuts, they used to have to walk 10 miles every day to the nearest soup kitchen to get food.
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Anecdotal evidence is...anecdotal. Heart rending to be sure, but source that up please.
 
Glaucus said:
And here we go, back to attitude and what is wrong with so many people in today's society and that includes people who have jobs.
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Your problem is that you fail to see the unfairness in society. I will put my hands up to it. I'm 26 and earn about 40 quid an hour, and its going up. Some guys my age make 1.70 an hour. Some guys my age in the city make 400 an hour. I'm not saying no one should be rich, but when the poor are forced into unpaid labour for 1.70 an hour , that annoys me
 
oulton said:
Your problem is that you fail to see the unfairness in society. I will put my hands up to it. I'm 26 and earn about 40 quid an hour, and its going up. Some guys my age make 1.70 an hour. Some guys my age in the city make 400 an hour. I'm not saying no one should be rich, but when the poor are forced into unpaid labour for 1.70 an hour , that annoys me
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And yet you're on here rather than out doing something to help spread that wealth.
 
elmarko1234 said:
The saddest irony is.

People like you are the ones some of us are trying to defend.

I've done well in life, but appreciate it's just to external factors others would not have been so fortunate to receive.

Good parents/role models/reading material etc.

I don't feel pride about working hard, I just do because I was lucky enough to be able to develop the traits required to achieve.

I fail to see the value in wishing further hardship on people less fortunate than I am.

As another poster said, you don't have to be poor to wish for greater equality in the UK - I think you will find the real chav's don't give a toss about politics or equality.
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And what's that got to do with anything i said?
It's not about wanting people to have a worse time.
It's about not being able to afford it and people taking the pee with the current system. A lot of people will benefit from such a scheme, perhaps they are crap at interviews, perhaps they are really shy. This gives them an easy way with no effort from them to prove themself in a workplace.

If it was forced. It would make other such harder for a job or/and give them the kick up the rear they need.
If you genuinely can't find or get a job, JSA is still there. For you. It hasn't gone anywhere or being withdrawn from people.
 
I'm sorry but, having to actually contribute a little to society in order to recieve benefits doesn't mean it's a workhouse.
 
oulton said:
Your problem is that you fail to see the unfairness in society. I will put my hands up to it. I'm 26 and earn about 40 quid an hour, and its going up. Some guys my age make 1.70 an hour. Some guys my age in the city make 400 an hour. I'm not saying no one should be rich, but when the poor are forced into unpaid labour for 1.70 an hour , that annoys me
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They aren't, they are being paid. It comes with non of the normal checks for employment, it's for a maximum of 8 weeks.
Unfairness is part of life and is the only option. Equal spread of wealth is impossible and also unneeded.
It's not as if benefits are so low, people can't survive in relative luxury.
I mean they aren't even forced into massive shared housing. Of which many of us have to do, especially in the first few years of employment.
 
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