Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [9th - 12th December 2011]

Was worried when I saw the lineup for Spurs to be honest. This was the sort of game screaming for Sandro to start alongside Parker, with VDV on the bench. VDV was never going to get into a game like that. Also once again shows our reliance on King as our defence looks 100% worse without him in there. Adebeyor didn't look too interested which is a worry.

Foy had an absolute stinker. Every other ref in the country would have been blowing for fouls on the majority of the fights for high balls Crouch wins. Thats what happens with Crouch. The number of times Stoke players went through the back of Tottenham players around the box and not one foul was given was amazing. The rest of the decisions have been discussed enough already. Kabouls sending off, well, the first booking was stupid on his part and the second was questionable. In some ways similar to Messi last night, but the ref showed sense in that game and decided he hadn't done enough to be sent off.

Stoke deserved the two goals though, and probably should have had at least another one, could quite easily have ended as a 3-3 draw. Still think we'll finish top 4, but will depend how the team react to this loss.
 
Yup, Foy wasn't just getting the big stuff wrong, for which he got it all wrong, badly badly obviously and stupidly wrong, but the little crap. Like a corner that the stoke player had the last TWO touches of the ball, blatant and obvious, Adebayor's mcenroe moment sitting on the advertising board with a "you can not be serious" look on his face when, whatever defender it was got a freekick for nothing.

Then there is the Defoe shot/whelan handball, I think it was him, not sure. It wasn't intentional and shouldn't have been a card but he stopped a ball going directly towards the goal with his hands, right in front of goal. An accidental handball that wasn't going anywhere anyway, is rarely given, when its a shot on goal and gets blocked it often is given.

Then very few people are talking about Shawcross pulling Defoe back literally seconds before the Shawcross handball and the Ade clearly onside goal.
 
Chong Warrior said:
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Spurs were very clearly robbed not once or twice but several times, even you can't deny that surely??? :o .....
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So what? My post wasn't about whether Spurs were robbed or not. It was aimed at you for having the cheek to complain about me not mentioning a possible handball in the build-up to 1 of Stokes goals when I didn't even watch the first half (and non Spurs fans have said Gallas initially handballed it anyway) and then you mention decisions Spurs should have got but don't mention Modric going to ground 30 minutes after the Stoke player made a challenge.
 
i couldn't believe some of the decisions, not just the major ones either, foy just didn't let the game flow. a point would've been fair.
 
BaZ87 said:
So what? My post wasn't about whether Spurs were robbed or not. It was aimed at you for having the cheek to complain about me not mentioning a possible handball in the build-up to 1 of Stokes goals when I didn't even watch the first half (and non Spurs fans have said Gallas initially handballed it anyway) and then you mention decisions Spurs should have got but don't mention Modric going to ground 30 minutes after the Stoke player made a challenge.
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Not sure if Gallas did get the ball or not, if he did it was the most minute of touches and didn't effect the flight of the ball, Crouch's handball led directly to the ball changing direction in the only way he could have controlled it and led to the goal. Not sure if it should have been a goal or not, it shouldn't have effected the game in general, the decisions by Foy in the second half were blatant and game changing, the Crouch/Gallas one's were neither blatant nor as game changing.

MOdric also, as I said the other day, a foul is a foul is a foul, it doesn't matter what the player does afterwards, its better if players don't dive, its much better if they don't go down ridiculously, jump in the air, do a triple salco(I don't actually know what that is, pike, yes, the others, they just seem to spin a lot), a swan, a look at the ref, then land and act as if they just hit a landmine, as in, touching everywhere just unsure where hurts the most and where to fake the injury.

Modric went down ONE step later, never seen a player running at speed not end up further forward than where the contact was myself. LIkewise If someone kicks you fairly hard in the shin, even if the contact doesn't make you go down, you don't know that and your body automatically reacts. If someone kicks you in the leg as you're running you'll try and take the weight off your foot and lift it out the way....... even if the other person doesn't put all their weight through and kick your leg out, you still react as if they might, its instinct.

It didn't look great, but it WAS a foul, notice Whelan didn't complain at all.
cm1179 said:
i couldn't believe some of the decisions, not just the major ones either, foy just didn't let the game flow. a point would've been fair.
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THat is pretty generous for a Spurs fan, with the right decisions Stoke would be a man down and 2-2, with an already on top Spurs with a bigger advantage. I think a point was the minimum Spurs should have got, I expect Spurs would almost certainly have won with the right decisions being made.
 
Modric wasn't running at speed though DM. If he goes down under the challenge then fine, it's a foul. That wasn't the case though, he went past the challenge and then threw himself to the ground after.
 
BaZ87 said:
Modric wasn't running at speed though DM. If he goes down under the challenge then fine, it's a foul. That wasn't the case though, he went past the challenge and then threw himself to the ground after.
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it was a clear penalty, modric made the most of it but he was entitled too. fancy footwork was just a bit too much for the stoke defender. i must give shawcross a mention, what a dispicable player.

foy also lost control of the game when it came to stoke and the ridiculous amount of time they take at throw ins.
 
BaZ87 said:
Modric wasn't running at speed though DM. If he goes down under the challenge then fine, it's a foul. That wasn't the case though, he went past the challenge and then threw himself to the ground after.
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Speed is pretty definitive, he wasn't standing still, therefore if you go down, it will be in the direction of previous motion.

He didn't go past the challenge, his standing leg got kicked and his other leg was already forward, he didn't stand on the leg that was kicked again before "going down".

He was kicked in the shin, its very hard to know with how much power, Whelan pulled out but how late, all you can say is he didn't kick him hard enough to push the planted leg out of the turf directly. Hard enough to cause Modric to react, probably. It was a foul, end of, Whelan came in, kicked out, caught Modric in the shin, and didn't complain. Had their been no contact and Modric went down, dive, had Modric stayed up but still contact, foul, had he kicked through him harder, still a foul but maybe a booking of varying degree based on how reckless/dangerous or intentional it was.

Just because it wasn't a bad foul, doesn't make it not a foul.

http://watchhighlightsonline.blogspot.com/2011/12/video-whelan-tackle-on-modric-penalty.html

This pretty much says it all, and the description, it says Modric took two steps and went down on the wrong leg. But here is the problem, the guy, and apparently lots of other people think Whelan caught Modric's right leg, but Whelan kicked Modric in his LEFT leg, he plants his right leg but the left leg that actually got kicked, doesn't take another step and he went down.

You could make the argument he did pretty well to bring his right leg around Whelan's leg as he's pulling it back and get that back down, but he was already stumbling at that point, he looked ackward and never got the kicked leg back down. If you look at the 2nd/3rd replay you can really see that not only was his left leg kicked, his right leg was, not impeded but he clearly had to lift and move his right leg a lot more than usual to avoid Whelan's leg also, just makes it more of a penalty.
 
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cm1179 said:
it was a clear penalty, modric made the most of it but he was entitled too. fancy footwork was just a bit too much for the stoke defender. i must give shawcross a mention, what a dispicable player.

foy also lost control of the game when it came to stoke and the ridiculous amount of time they take at throw ins.
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He didn't make the most of it though. He went past the challenge perfectly comfortably, he just dropped to the ground afterwards.

And it's a surprise nothing has been done about the amount of time Stoke take from throws, it's ridiculous.
 
BaZ87 said:
And it's a surprise nothing has been done about the amount of time Stoke take from throws, it's ridiculous.
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and the noise the crowd makes when the ball is thrown is cringeworthy. no wonder stoke is a tough place to go for teams, it's bizarre.

was a great game though, especially the second half but foy was infuriating.
 
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Looks a dive to me. He was going down before he got to Whelan and fell over after Whelan pulled his foot out of the way.
 
BaZ87 said:
He didn't make the most of it though. He went past the challenge perfectly comfortably, he just dropped to the ground afterwards.

And it's a surprise nothing has been done about the amount of time Stoke take from throws, it's ridiculous.
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The hilarious thing is, they've done away with the towel but the guy taking long throws, was what, wearing a bib type towel thing under his shirt? It was utterly stupid, now I don't know if he was wearing that because the FA have finally told Stoke to **** *** with their pee taking ball wiping 30-40 second throw in stupidity, OR because the last few teams in the rain to go there have demanded the towel to dry the ball as well :p

Can anyone remember who the first team to go to Stoke to demand the towel's was? It was fantastic, I just remember all the ball boy's looking a bit ackward like they were helping the opposition too much, and Pulis looking angry when they were time wasting :p
 
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