Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [9th - 12th December 2011]
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I love the way the spurs fans forget gallas' handling of the ball before crouch handled, could have been a red and penalty
Thats because it didn't touch his hands.
Thought he was on loan, another world class buy from Fergie
He cost 3 million I think, exactly the same amount that Newcastle payed for him, so in essence, not a bad buy at all
this is where the whole system at the fa is flawed.
they want to punish someone for speaking out about the bad decisions but not punish the actual person that made the mistakes. The sooner the fa start punishing referees for bad mistakes/decisions the better and i don't mean just demoting them to the championship for a few games.
they then have the audacity to appeal wayne rooneys red card even though they banned him for several games for the same thing.
They don't punish people for speaking out about bad decisions. They punish people when they question the officials integrity.
Officials should be accountable for their mistakes, however what more do you expect to be done other than demoting them? Until there are a greater number of officials and more importantly, a higher standard of officials, we've got to put up with what we've got. At the moment the officials in the Premier League are considered the best we have in this country so there's nothing that can be done.
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my point was the double standards shown but you missed that part of the quote out.
how can they punish managers for speaking out regarding bad decisions when the referees get nothing but a trip to scunthorpe the week after. i think at the very least they should be accountable for their actions and have to answer questions put to them. how many times do you see a manager fined or banned from the touchline because they have said a bit too much when being pressured into answering questions in front of the media? why can't the referee have to stand there and answer the same questions?
I missed out that part of the post because it's a completely seperate point. It's something I've spoke a lot about on here before and agree with you though.
And again, they don't punish you for speaking out, they punish you when you question the officials integrity. They're very different things.
As for officials having to answer questions from the media, that's not exactly a punishment like you were calling for but it's also a delicate issue. It would be good if officials were able to come out and explain why they made certain decisions however I suspect it'll just end up with journo's asking them stupid questions and it more being about criticising them.
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you mean how it is with managers?
if managers are expected to come out after a match and be asked awkward questions that may well see them hit with a fine/ban then i think the officials should as well.
why should one be accountable and not the other, it can also work both ways, if they have a good game and there are no stupid decisions they should be appluaded. i just think they get away with far too much, in no other area of work could you get away with making as many mistakes as they do and just walk away at the end of the day without being asked why those decisions were made.
it was also make it easier for the players and fans to understand certain decisions the referees make.
the punishment i was calling for was that they are made accountable for their actions, demoting a referee to the championship for a couple of weeks is no punishment at all, it's what they do. making him referee a lower league does not automatically make them better referees so whats the point?
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Yes, just like it is with managers. Managers are contracted to do so by the media rights holders though.
And being asked stupid/probing questions isn't an excuse for saying the ref's bent, which is what you've got to say in order to get charged.
Unless it was very strictly managed, officials facing the media will be nothing more than a circus. They'd be better off just issuing a statement explaining why they made certain decisions after the game and/or their report being made public.
I believe that this season in particular has been a poor one for officials but they're human and they make mistakes, they're not bias (no matter what some people like to believe). Like anybody though, if they continually perform poorly in their job they should lose their job however there's no point in doing that while there's nobody better to replace them.
i imagine it would be a circus but why not include that in the circus that is the managers themselves being interviewed?
"and now onto Chris Foy who can explain the decisions"
a quick 2 minute interview to cover the main talking points wouldn't be a bad thing, like i say it would give the fans/players/managers more confidence if they were to be held accountable for their actions. referees are making decisions on the pitch that can cost clubs millions and millions of pounds but at the end of the game they disappear into the dressing rooms to never speak of the incidents again.
i also think they should be commended as well if they have a good game, im not anti referees but they need to stand up and be counted, especially when there is so much at stake.
As I said, if it was strictly managed, I'd have no problem with officials coming out and talking to the press. If it wasn't though, we'd have questions like, "Harry Redknapp said you enjoyed giving Spurs nothing, how do you respond to this?" rather than asking him to explain why he sent off Kaboul.
And just because managers have to talk to answer stupid questions, it doesn't mean officials should too.
And just because managers have to talk to answer stupid questions, it doesn't mean officials should too.
i agree and i wouldn't want it to, i just think they should be somehow held to the decisions they make. there is nothing wrong with asking why a player was sent off if a foul was clearly outside of the box or for any other decision.
i and i think many other would have more respect for them if they came and out and admitted they didn't clearly see an incident and made a mistake rather than skulking off into the changing rooms to never be questioned.
the people who monitor a referees performance during the match should also be shot in my opinion as they don't seem to be doing their jobs properly either.
I think the refs have enough **** to deal with, without us letting the press savage them.
They make mistakes, and sometimes those cost games, but it's inevitable. They're only human, and as BaZ said, they're the best we (unfortunately) have. Instead of extra punishment for dissent (without starting the whole "surrounding the ref" argument again
) and the support of video/etc technology, they're hung out to dry by all the governing bodies of football. They're hounded by the players, mocked by the managers, belittled by the media, and insulted by moronic fans who don't seem to care that they're human beings, some of whom will accuse them of bias even after the most faultless of performances.
All they're actually trying to do is make sure 22 over-paid ***** kick a ball around a pitch for 90 minutes within the rules of the game. And for that they get this? Christ, no wonder that German ref was depressed. I would be too.
They make mistakes, and sometimes those cost games, but it's inevitable. They're only human, and as BaZ said, they're the best we (unfortunately) have. Instead of extra punishment for dissent (without starting the whole "surrounding the ref" argument again
) and the support of video/etc technology, they're hung out to dry by all the governing bodies of football. They're hounded by the players, mocked by the managers, belittled by the media, and insulted by moronic fans who don't seem to care that they're human beings, some of whom will accuse them of bias even after the most faultless of performances.All they're actually trying to do is make sure 22 over-paid ***** kick a ball around a pitch for 90 minutes within the rules of the game. And for that they get this? Christ, no wonder that German ref was depressed. I would be too.
the ref's response will surely be 'i did what i thought was correct at the time, i'm only human' to every question.
it doesn't help that assistant referee's are not full time, making it a more important role would help.
i can see in the very near future, tv replays being available for managers. maybe 3 calls a game or something for each team if needed.
it doesn't help that assistant referee's are not full time, making it a more important role would help.
i can see in the very near future, tv replays being available for managers. maybe 3 calls a game or something for each team if needed.
I can't see it happening and I really hope it doesn't. I'd hate to see 2-3 minutes spent viewing various angles of a tackle, trying to determine whether it was a foul or a dive and then getting different decisions each week because it's a subjective issue.
The only changes that should be made are some sort of goal line technology that alerts the ref instantly when the ball has crossed the line and video replays of red cards where by the 4th official can review the incident while the game continues and if a clear mistake was made by the ref, the sent off player can return to the pitch at the next stoppage.
that's how it will start