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Craterloads said:
In modern history the UK has been and is as a Christian country. Even though I’m not Christian but i have no problems with this.

One point i would like to make is maybe society would improve if the UK went back to its Christian heritage. The farther this country has gotten from religion the worse society has got. Atheism is the largest it has ever been in modern history and the state society is now in correlates.

All you see these days is scantily clad women, drug use, and disrespect of elders etc , which good Christian values would help eradicate.
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[TW]Fox;20819558 said:
It makes perfect sense and arguably applies to most of us.
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I do get annoyed about it that those who have these morals attribute it to Christianity though and therefore say they are Christians even if they don't follow the doctrine. I meet more people who have no faith and identify themselves as Christians than people who are actually Christians and have faith.
The country and law is Christian, culturally I guess it could described as Christian as we have a lot in common with western countries who's main religion is Christianity. In terms of people attending Church and having faith, we are nothing near a Christian country.
 
Morals has nothing to do with religion as such, it's just that more often than not, good morals are taught as part of the religion. You don't need to believe in anything to be a good person. Even the bible says that somewhere (don't ask me to quote lol - it's slightly out of context anyway.).

EDIT: lol @ the russell's teapot cartoon :-D
 
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Religion, at it's best can propogate good morals and values...that doesn't mean to say they invented them...only that it is an efficent way to promote and enforce them.

Encouraging a Christian ethos within this country is no bad thing, as despite what some people think or what some people have interpreted scripture to mean, the overarching message within the New Testament is one of peace, love, brotherhood, respect, justice and fairness......all things that I think we can agree are good for society.

Religion didn't invent these ideals, it helps promote them.
 
[TW]Sponge;20819911 said:
Oooh yet another religion thread.
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Agreed, there are enough threads discussing this already, This one adds nothing new and is just another attempt to belittle peoples worldview because it doesn't agree with their own.

Enough already!
 
Craterloads said:
All you see these days is scantily clad women,
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What the hell is wrong with scantily clad women?

Reminds me, must go and rewatch some of Christopher Hitchenss excellent debates.
 
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[TW]Fox;20819558 said:
It makes perfect sense and arguably applies to most of us.
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I'm an atheist yet I agree with many Christian morals. Which, I believe, is what Cameron was trying to emphasise.

This is nothing like what some politicians such as Perry in the USA are doing, which is to stress fundamentalist Christian dogma and to use basic religious identity for political points. I think Cameron is quite correctly pointing out that many people today simply don't have the morals of people of a few decades back, and that those who are "cultural Christians" should perhaps look at teaching their kids better morals and behaviour.
 
joxang said:
I'm an atheist yet I agree with many Christian morals. Which, I believe, is what Cameron was trying to emphasise.

This is nothing like what some politicians such as Perry in the USA are doing, which is to stress fundamentalist Christian dogma and to use basic religious identity for political points. I think Cameron is quite correctly pointing out that many people today simply don't have the morals of people of a few decades back, and that those who are "cultural Christians" should perhaps look at teaching their kids better morals and behaviour.
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Hasn't violent crime fallen in the last 10 years? I have always thought that the media has ignored the bigger picture and crime rates are lowering in the long term.
 
This issue isn't with him saying we're a Christian country, we are. However claiming that a lack of belief infers a lack of morals is insulting.

Salsa said:
Are you really going to try and argue that the Bible is not a good moral code? :rolleyes:
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The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." - Luke 12:47-48

Slavery and physical abuse as punishment, and that's in the fluffy new testament.

Or are you saying we should pick and choose which bits to follow, which would surely require that we have a moral code to begin with?
 
RomanNose said:
Well he was sort of telling people to return back to Christianity, Religion should be left out of politics imo. We don't want to end up like America.
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I think he is actually referring to a return to traditional christian values rather than becoming devout Christians.
 
Castiel said:
I think he is actually referring to a return to traditional christian values rather than becoming devout Christians.
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It's a bit dodgy, quite hard to actually know what he is trying to say. He said that he is a Christian with not much faith, if he said he was a committed Christian well then I would be much more concerned. It was a speech about King James, I can imagine whoever writes his speeches has to cater for the audience and if it was anywhere else then I would imagine he would have not to referred to Christian values. When he eventually gets booted out, then I imagine that he will come out as an Atheist or agnostic and he is just try to get the votes imo.
 
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Ahh the old proving religion is wrong through literal translation of scriptures argument *sigh*

I think you rather missed my point.

Religion generally promotes and encourages certain morals. In the grand scheme of things it matters not where someone derives their morals from does not matter. It is the end result not the means to that end which matters.

You cannot reasonably argue that religion promotes bad morals in general. Therefore it stands that on the whole the message from a religion is morally good.

For the record I am in no way religious. My father is a C o E minister and I went to church twice a week for 16 years. Then I made a concious decision no to practice anymore. I would still count myself as culturally christian but i have no faith and i do not practice.

I don't belittle my father for beliving in something I do not. I don't understand the need some people have to dismiss and disprove religion as false simply because they do not belive. I see religion as a means for some people to deal wilth some very big and difficult questions. Just because they go about answering those questions differently to me does not make them wrong

This topic has now got quite off topic and gone the same way as most religious threads on here so im out.

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p.s. PB you you are still wrong about windows :P
 
Queen is the head of a Christian religion, and most of British morality is founded on the stuff the bible teaches.

I'm not even religious, and I can appreciate the influence that Christianity has had on society.

Do not compute what people's problem with this is.... Not that I can be bothered to come back and dispute the point....

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