AMD are getting desperate now...

scrlk · 21 Dec 2011 at 22:36

More Cores, More Cashback

I remember those days when AMD was the choice, Opty 146 overclocking was the 2500k in that era. :cool:

Sorry if this is a repost.

panyan · 21 Dec 2011 at 22:42

they were thinking of making a 128 core processor right?

i wonder if i bought one, could i get more money in cashback than i bought it for?

Mr Paul · 21 Dec 2011 at 23:20

It doesn't actually make the 8120 at £140 that bad of a deal really.

Not that I'm going to buy one, but food for thought.....

Purgatory · 21 Dec 2011 at 23:40

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/LP/amd_fx_cashback.php

edscdk · 21 Dec 2011 at 23:44

panyan said:
they were thinking of making a 128 core processor right?

i wonder if i bought one, could i get more money in cashback than i bought it for?

It's a shame only 1 in 50 people would benefit from anything better than a dual

Gashman · 22 Dec 2011 at 01:07

Mr Paul said:
It doesn't actually make the 8120 at £140 that bad of a deal really.

Not that I'm going to buy one, but food for thought.....

same thing applies to the 6*** series, £105 with cash-back, that is cheaper than the entire six-core Phenom II, but £140 for the 8120 makes it an actually reasonably good deal, would hazard worth considering than some of the options available at the moment, brings it well close to the Phenom II six cores in price but typically superior performance at stock with plenty of room for tweaking.

Daichin · 22 Dec 2011 at 02:13

^ If it was another £20 cheaper it might be pretty ok. It's still crap at £140 IMO.
"More cores, more cashback" is such a ridiculous slogan. I don't know who came up with that.

ATIorNvidia · 22 Dec 2011 at 03:23

No, this isn't AMD getting "desperate". Don't be so ****ing ridiculous.

jakspyder · 22 Dec 2011 at 03:41

This does appear desperate. Why not just lower the price.... That wouldnt seem as bad...

scrlk · 22 Dec 2011 at 08:54

ATIorNvidia said:
No, this isn't AMD getting "desperate". Don't be so ****ing ridiculous.

Calm down, you got to look from a business point of view - 'our new CPU is weak against Intel's offerings, so let's take advantage of numbers - we've got a higher core count and base clock speed than Intel, using people who don't read reviews and base product choices off the numbers alone and let's sweeten the deal by giving them cashback'

£89/115 for HP Touchpads - does that not say 'desperation' to clear unwanted products off shelves?

Finally, let's take it from a member of OcUK staff regarding Lian Li cases:

Ace Modder said:
Sales are poor and have dropped off massively.

I think that other brands at lower pricing stole the sales so I made the decision to remove most of the products as they were not selling.

To be honest I made a loss of some of the Lian Li to get it sold, because it wasn't selling at cost even.

Poor sales/poor product + price cuts = desperation to get it sold?

inSilica · 22 Dec 2011 at 09:14

This is not desperate! it's business! Price a processor competitively and you will have more takers, especially in these tough economical times -> minimize losses / even if only slightly.

Every £/$ they tuck away will be reflected in there AGM and quarter profits/losses.

Well hopefully they will recuperate some of the losses from the new GPU's!

Although I've only ever used Intel CPU's and ATI/AMD GPU's I still have a place in my heart for an AMD CPU at some point in the future

ntg · 22 Dec 2011 at 09:37

This is business. Cashback offers are very common, especially in US more than half of computer products offer a cashback of some sort, where you buy something and send a form in the post to get some money back. The "more cores more cashback" is just another way to advertise it and smartly driving people's attention to the "more cores than our competitors".

Don't be silly and talk about desperation, it's standard business practice. The reasons behind cashback offers is to entice customers as they feel they are getting some money back. At the same time, as the cashback process is somewhat complicated, a lot of customers end up not bothering to claim their cashback which makes a nice extra windfall for the company.

mmj_uk · 22 Dec 2011 at 10:41

Even with the cashback it's still way overpriced for what it is.

Justintime · 22 Dec 2011 at 14:06

Realllly hope they do something about their cpus

Loved my AMDs back in the day and look foward to using one again that is as or is more competitive than the Intel equivalent.

Gashman · 22 Dec 2011 at 15:46

suppose supermarkets, who are some of the biggest retailers in the world are desperate because they do deals on products, give me a break.

anyone who thinks its an act of desperation, do yourself a favour, grab your coat and just disappear. its all marketing, to get the upper hand on your competitor, two companies who want to see products, selling two difference products, give your customers an incentive to choose your product over the competitors, do some sort of deal or offer.

this is common practice in businesses, heck this site has 'this week only' deals, are they getting desperate or is it just marketing? exactly...

kiel367 · 22 Dec 2011 at 16:02

i kow that site in the op has an overclockers link, but from what i can see there are several other competitors, so id advise removing the link

scrlk · 22 Dec 2011 at 16:07

kiel367 said:
i kow that site in the op has an overclockers link, but from what i can see there are several other competitors, so id advise removing the link

ABP decided to make the links go, thanks for that.

Cooper · 22 Dec 2011 at 16:29

Cant believe people are still thinking of these as genuine 8,6 and 4 core CPU's....

4,3 and 2 is the truth, and AMD are being downright dishonest in their marketing..

Gashman · 23 Dec 2011 at 02:33

Cooper said:
Cant believe people are still thinking of these as genuine 8,6 and 4 core CPU's....

4,3 and 2 is the truth, and AMD are being downright dishonest in their marketing..

+1 to this, their marketing is rather foolish but keep screaming that they aren't eight core processors, they are four core running parallel threads, however for the sake of marketing the processors having 'eight cores' is a bonus point for those who don't really understand what is what in a processor, the sorts who go and get their systems pre-built from the high street for example.

the recent (pulled) Windows patch for Bulldozer indeed showed the processor as a 4C/8T rather than 8C/8T, problem is they are both technically correct but the positioning of the processor between the 2500K and 2600K suggest that the intention was for the market to think of them as 4C/8T, heck think internally Advanced Micro Devices see them as 4CU/8C, CU being Computation Unit and C being Cluster, just to complicate matters further.

Edit: thinking of them as four core, eight thread also makes them a higher performing part in a manner of speaking and makes sense from an architectural stand-point since each 'module' takes marginally more space than a single, traditional style core, hence the whole thought of single core, double execution engines inside each one, does that make it two cores? I would say no, there are lots who disagree but its one of those matters where people are going to have to agree to disagree.

ATIorNvidia · 23 Dec 2011 at 03:05

kgi said:
This is business. Cashback offers are very common, especially in US more than half of computer products offer a cashback of some sort, where you buy something and send a form in the post to get some money back. The "more cores more cashback" is just another way to advertise it and smartly driving people's attention to the "more cores than our competitors".

Don't be silly and talk about desperation, it's standard business practice. The reasons behind cashback offers is to entice customers as they feel they are getting some money back. At the same time, as the cashback process is somewhat complicated, a lot of customers end up not bothering to claim their cashback which makes a nice extra windfall for the company.

This man actually has some sense.

Vinni3 @H|H said:
Calm down, you got to look from a business point of view - 'our new CPU is weak against Intel's offerings, so let's take advantage of numbers - we've got a higher core count and base clock speed than Intel, using people who don't read reviews and base product choices off the numbers alone and let's sweeten the deal by giving them cashback'

£89/115 for HP Touchpads - does that not say 'desperation' to clear unwanted products off shelves?

Finally, let's take it from a member of OcUK staff regarding Lian Li cases:

Poor sales/poor product + price cuts = desperation to get it sold?

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21781/amd_bulldozer_continues_to_sell_out_from_shelves/index.html

Bulldozer is selling well. Maybe not here, because most people (so called enthusiasts) still think the FX-8150 is an 8 core that's weaker than Intels 4-core.