This work ethic will remain, no doubt about it.
Will IOS' simplisticity lead to it's doom?
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This work ethic will remain, no doubt about it.
That looks much more like my Android phone than my iPhone. In which case, why not just buy Android if page upon page of square apps are not your thing?What?
My iPhone is great because I can make it look like an Android device
.That looks much more like my Android phone than my iPhone. In which case, why not just buy Android if page upon page of square apps are not your thing?
My iPhone is great because I can make it look like an Android device
Simple... I don't like the Android software. It's horrible to use and it's horrible to develop apps for.
But Apple software is so great that you have to Jaibreak and modify it to look like software you don't like? I was under the impression that it was easier to create and release an Android App, but I have never made either so not in the best position to say that as fact. I could google it, but perhaps the search results will be bias.
edit: The problem with Android is that there are many crap, many average, and many good phones. I can only compare the SGS2 (rated as one of the best) to my iPhone 4, and in my opinion the SGS2 is significantly better. Sure it does nor win within every single area, but overall it offers the better software for me. I guess this is why many iPhones are Jailbroken and modified to look like one.
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I know it doesn't, which is why I got a Galaxy Note instead.
I don't Jailbreak to make my phone look like anything in particular. The main reason I Jailbreak is for SBSettings and MyWi, being able to play with themes is just a bit of fun.
I'm sure some people do find it easier to develop and release Android apps, however, I don't.
I don't understand this obsession with trying to make iOS look and behave like something it's not. Maybe it's the entitlement, me me me thing.
iOS works well, is intuitive and assuming you don't jailbreak about as secure as mobile operating systems get.
iOS works well, is intuitive and assuming you don't jailbreak about as secure as mobile operating systems get.
I agree, I'm not normally one to play with themes but DreamBoard is new so thought I'd give it a bash.
People have a habit of forgetting that with iPhones there isn't really a "budget" option or at least not usually. If you're going to compare an Android handset to an iPhone 4 or 4S it only makes sense to compare them to high end Android handset like the Galaxy S2.
There's a huge gap between the lowest Android phone and the highest, massively so.
I had a 3G when it came out and kept it for two years, at that stage it had become a bit laggy due to the new software, the iphone was revolutionary when it came out and I didn't even consider anything else for 2 years.
What got me in the end was screen size, I realized I spent more time using my device for browsing, youtube, calendar and email than as a phone. Having a larger screen just made doing all that much more enjoyable, if apple had released a 4inch device I most likely would have stayed.
I actually now use a WP7 device(omnia 7 16gb) and am going to sell my Desire HD and maybe get a galaxy note.
Windows phone 7 is a lot like IOS but with more customization, my homescreen is much more interesting it has tiles with contact pictures that change favorite pictures that change etc news and weather tiles that update, so you get tight integration and slickness like IOS with some nice customization without the the annoyances of Android.
My desire HD at times lags the launcher force closes often and it feels like you have extra steps to do many things that are simple. Android is ok but I often feel frustrated using it and the micro lag does my nut in sometimes (low rez contact photos too!) so many little niggles in day to day use wears you down on Android, whereas IOS and WP7 really do the basics so well, ICS may have changed many of my concerns with android but as I haven't used it can only share what i have experienced.
So long story short I think IOS will do fine, most people are not concerned with modding their phones or adding extra information, they just want it to do what it does well without hassle and IOS does do that exceptionally well! If Apple brings out a 4+inch phone I will probably just back on board (Apps are still the slickest and best on apple)
What got me in the end was screen size, I realized I spent more time using my device for browsing, youtube, calendar and email than as a phone. Having a larger screen just made doing all that much more enjoyable, if apple had released a 4inch device I most likely would have stayed.
I actually now use a WP7 device(omnia 7 16gb) and am going to sell my Desire HD and maybe get a galaxy note.
Windows phone 7 is a lot like IOS but with more customization, my homescreen is much more interesting it has tiles with contact pictures that change favorite pictures that change etc news and weather tiles that update, so you get tight integration and slickness like IOS with some nice customization without the the annoyances of Android.
My desire HD at times lags the launcher force closes often and it feels like you have extra steps to do many things that are simple. Android is ok but I often feel frustrated using it and the micro lag does my nut in sometimes (low rez contact photos too!) so many little niggles in day to day use wears you down on Android, whereas IOS and WP7 really do the basics so well, ICS may have changed many of my concerns with android but as I haven't used it can only share what i have experienced.
So long story short I think IOS will do fine, most people are not concerned with modding their phones or adding extra information, they just want it to do what it does well without hassle and IOS does do that exceptionally well! If Apple brings out a 4+inch phone I will probably just back on board (Apps are still the slickest and best on apple)
another reason to leave behind SD cards....
apples roadmap does not include removable media.
thats what the cloud was created for. if you want a file it will be on the cloud for you, not on some flakey 16Gb SD card you just lost down the back of your sofa.
it's where they are headed and if they can get it right, it will be the way things go for most tech.
apples roadmap does not include removable media.
thats what the cloud was created for. if you want a file it will be on the cloud for you, not on some flakey 16Gb SD card you just lost down the back of your sofa.
it's where they are headed and if they can get it right, it will be the way things go for most tech.
I have never had an SD or micro-SD card fail on me, but my 3G connection regularly disappears. The cloud is only of any use when it is available. For holidays, travelling on the tube etc it is about as much use as a 3 legged greyhound. SD cards are cheap, faster than the cloud, and you can buy as many as you like.
The cloud is not a substitute for capacity (otherwise why do Apple bother selling 32GB & 64GB iPhones). The cloud should be used in tandem with onboard storage, and it is only pure greed that prevents it. There would be nothing wrong with Apple selling "Apple branded and verified" SD cards in conjumction with the Sandisks of the world. Just give people a choice.
Just about every laptop PC and Mac sold (including my Macbook Pro) has an SD slot that works with all manufacturers cards. Once again, Micro-SD is only missing from the iPhone because of coorperate driven greed. Well done Samsung, HTC and others for giving people the option.
..and Apple only push the iCloud because it ties people into their overpriced products. SD is product independent and can be moved from device to device.
...and don't forget that the iPhone is a "mobile" device which does not always have access to the internet (3G or wifi) whilst on the move. I would much much prefer to read data from an SD card, than waste data allowance and battery streaming when not necessary. I think that I have talked myself out of ever buying another Apple product.
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how often do you need more than 16Gb for a tube journey?!?
ok, it's not a perfect system just yet, but given time it will be the way things go.
the last time i used a re-writeable disk must be 5 years ago now. and as for USB pen drives etc. i avoid them where possible and email or host from a shared folder.
apple are as popular as they are because they have removed a lot of choice from computing and as such removed a lot of headaches.
ok, it's not a perfect system just yet, but given time it will be the way things go.
the last time i used a re-writeable disk must be 5 years ago now. and as for USB pen drives etc. i avoid them where possible and email or host from a shared folder.
apple are as popular as they are because they have removed a lot of choice from computing and as such removed a lot of headaches.
I think there's some truth in that.
My brother has a Desire. He has a big SD card, but is constantly running out of memory because he has to store apps on the small internal memory rather than the SD card. What's the point in having lots of memory if you can't use it how you want?
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Apologies, I should have said 'advance theming' options which I believe Dreamboard markets itself. Do you have a the paid Pro version or Lite Version? I'm assuming you had the Winterboard app for a while right? Is the RAM usage on Dreamboard still heavier than Winterboard? I always thought it was a very nifty theme application myself albeit heavy on the system.
What's funny is that a non-rooted Android allows for a lot of the customisation that you have to jail break an iPhone for. Even installing third party apps does not require root. Just a unticked box in settings and a agreement saying you know what the hell you're doing.
Dreamboard and Winterboard are applications that run theme overlays on top of the iOS. Using a jail broken iPhone, you run a virtual platform that allows these apps to project over some parts of the iPhone operating system. As you know TrUz, you are still running iOS. Yes the home screen and lock screen doesn't look like iOS but if the theme doesn't project onto the rest of the iOS then the illusion is dropped. Not only that, but because they are image intensive apps running on top of iOS they take up a lot of memory resources. And let's not mention the iOS updates that constantly means a new jail breaking technique must be found per update. Apple does not want you jail breaking yo- their phone. They couldn't make it illegal so they made it difficult.
The reason why people root their android is simple: custom roms and a open source community.
What does this mean? You pick or develop something you want. It's basically a different OS you can install onto your phone. Custom roms like MIUI are theme-centric configuration OSes that allow you to customize your phone with as little hit on the OS as possible because they are the OS. No separate app for projecting a theme. They have built in theme switchers embedded that actually can change the entire OS completely.
You also have a myriad of choices dependant on your device. You have ROMs that are highly focused on features embedded into the OS. You have ROMs designed around power and battery life. Actually changing clock speeds, voltages etc. Other ROMs do a balancing act. As you can see with the HTC's Sense, Samsung's Touchwiz or Motorola's Motoblur there are different flavours of ROMs out there based off the Android structure and language but not actually a pure Android OS (and yes, there are custom rom's that change the OS to 'stock' android). A lot of these have a shared features and designs between one another.
It's also unheard of for a homebrew custom rom to be sold. Community developers [usually] operate under a FOSS (free and open source software) understanding. Many of the coding is out in the open and useable by others if they so wish. With a rooted Android device you can effectly design your own OS. That I think is the double edged sword best bit.
OK, I know I'm posting this to a market segment that rarely cares (or want to care) about these sort of things but I would simply like to repeat myself:
Jail breaking the iPhone is not the same as rooting an Android device that has an open source development community.
You're right to say that the two are not equal in terms of functionality. In fairness, though, nor are they equal in terms of simplicity.
Jailbreaking an iPhone is a pretty easy process. At its easiest it just involves visiting a website in Safari. Even the less accessible jailbreaks only require you to download a program to your computer, then connect the iPhone and execute it (pointing it to the stock firmware file).
Running a custom ROM is a much more involved process than that, beginning with establishing which particular ROM is appropriate and continuing through installation. It's not fair to say that custom ROMs offer much more customisability than a jailbreak without also saying that running a custom ROM requires much greater technical knowledge to execute.
The majority of jailbreak users don't really give two hoots about an 'open-source development community'. They just want to maintain the simplicity of iOS whilst circumventing some of its more onerous limitations.
Jailbreaking an iPhone is a pretty easy process. At its easiest it just involves visiting a website in Safari. Even the less accessible jailbreaks only require you to download a program to your computer, then connect the iPhone and execute it (pointing it to the stock firmware file).
Running a custom ROM is a much more involved process than that, beginning with establishing which particular ROM is appropriate and continuing through installation. It's not fair to say that custom ROMs offer much more customisability than a jailbreak without also saying that running a custom ROM requires much greater technical knowledge to execute.
The majority of jailbreak users don't really give two hoots about an 'open-source development community'. They just want to maintain the simplicity of iOS whilst circumventing some of its more onerous limitations.
Can't be bothered to read the entire thread as they tend to just go back and forth.
I've never understood the logic by people hating and being infuriated by the lack of flexibility on the iPhone. I literally have no desire to do anything else on my phone that my iPhone doesn't already allow me to do very well.
I've never understood the logic by people hating and being infuriated by the lack of flexibility on the iPhone. I literally have no desire to do anything else on my phone that my iPhone doesn't already allow me to do very well.
I'm astounded (and not for the first time, either) by the difficulty people have in understanding the function and appeal of the iPhone.
There will almost always be a market for iOS for people who want solid, basic functionality as the device in the case of the iPhone is a PHONE after all, not a workstation. Android does not appeal to your average person because they care about three things, ease of use, brand names and apps. Apple have these three points wrapped up very well at the moment and that isn't going to change.
Android 4.0 is excellent, it really is. It's so good that it's hard to pick it apart because Google have nailed many aspects of what Android was lacking. Even now though, the difference in general apps is quite noticeable, generally you can get around this, but your average person cannot. They will see the iPhone apps and think they look better, have a better selection and so on - and they are right.
The perception of the general public is that the iPhone is the 'best' phone, you may disagree but I'm sorry, that's the case. They see their friends iPhone, think it's the best thing since sliced bread and buy it. On a forum such as this, of course Android is going to be more popular (which is debatable anyway), and in general, it's going to be more popular due to the price ranges that Android devices are sold at. I think people would have more cause to be upset if the public were being sold a rubbish product at a very high price, but this isn't even close to being the case. They are being sold an industry-leading product at a fairly high price, but it is worth the money for most people.
A lot of people switch to Android and then for a short while they start championing the cause of it (many examples of such behaviour in this thread), then over time the novelty does wear off and they start to see the appeal of iOS once more.
In short: simplicity is as much of a good thing as it is bad, and for those that consider it to be bad, there is Android. Lucky us.
There will almost always be a market for iOS for people who want solid, basic functionality as the device in the case of the iPhone is a PHONE after all, not a workstation. Android does not appeal to your average person because they care about three things, ease of use, brand names and apps. Apple have these three points wrapped up very well at the moment and that isn't going to change.
Android 4.0 is excellent, it really is. It's so good that it's hard to pick it apart because Google have nailed many aspects of what Android was lacking. Even now though, the difference in general apps is quite noticeable, generally you can get around this, but your average person cannot. They will see the iPhone apps and think they look better, have a better selection and so on - and they are right.
The perception of the general public is that the iPhone is the 'best' phone, you may disagree but I'm sorry, that's the case. They see their friends iPhone, think it's the best thing since sliced bread and buy it. On a forum such as this, of course Android is going to be more popular (which is debatable anyway), and in general, it's going to be more popular due to the price ranges that Android devices are sold at. I think people would have more cause to be upset if the public were being sold a rubbish product at a very high price, but this isn't even close to being the case. They are being sold an industry-leading product at a fairly high price, but it is worth the money for most people.
A lot of people switch to Android and then for a short while they start championing the cause of it (many examples of such behaviour in this thread), then over time the novelty does wear off and they start to see the appeal of iOS once more.
In short: simplicity is as much of a good thing as it is bad, and for those that consider it to be bad, there is Android. Lucky us.