Paying for Petrol

Dano · 13 Jan 2012 at 12:51

Bald-Eagle22 said:
Just wait a few years it will all be pay at pump without exceptions.

No it wont, fuel is such a low profit margin that they want you instore so they can sell you coffee, donuts and any other high profit items.

MooMoo444 · 13 Jan 2012 at 12:54

Dano said:
No it wont, fuel is such a low profit margin that they want you instore so they can sell you coffee, donuts and any other high profit items.

fuel pumps of the future will refill your flask aswell as your tank

MrMoonX · 13 Jan 2012 at 12:57

try it, when you get arrested call us to let us know how it went

Prophet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:04

Burnsy2023 said:
Succinct, but not 100% technically correct.

I beg to differ.

In the OP the question asked is "Do you have to pay for petrol if say you go in and pick up other goods then got to the till to pay and the cashier DOESNT ask you if you have had any fuel.

He's not accidentally driven off without paying he's knowingly left the station without paying. Therefore..

Theft. A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.

He's consciously decided not to pay so it's theft. Whether the petrol station care to chase this up or not by definition, it's theft.

bledd · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:05

Freefaller said:
You don't go into a supermarket and wait to be asked if you're purchasing anything do you?

Orly?

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:07

Orange Peel said:
I beg to differ.

In the OP the question asked is "Do you have to pay for petrol if say you go in and pick up other goods then got to the till to pay and the cashier DOESNT ask you if you have had any fuel.

He's not accidentally driven off without paying he's knowingly left the station without paying. Therefore..

He's consciously decided not to pay so it's theft. Whether the petrol station care to chase this up or not by definition, it's theft.

Not if he's paying by card and assumes the amount is being charged to his account.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:12

Burnsy2023 said:
However, if you're not asked, people could use the defence that they forgot or where unaware that they weren't charged the full amount. This would mean that it could be tricky to secure a criminal conviction for theft. This isn't to say the retailer couldn't recover the cost civilly though.

I reckon you could secure the theft charge if you really wanted. You know what you're doing if you fill your car up with fuel and then drive away without paying.

Frenzy · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:12

Why do they not put a mini sign up next to the till stating that you MUST inform the cashier if you have filled up on fuel, or is that not good enough?

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:14

Dano said:
Before you go off half cocked and accuse me of being incorrect keep it in context please, it is absolutely correct and I'll thank you to not question my ability to listen to a training video (it was queried last time too and I provided proof), how it relates to actual law is another matter entirely.

Yep, it's perfectly plausible that your employer's policies would be more closely aligned with don't swear than with the actual law.

Sorry to break it to you in such rough terms.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:18

Vonhelmet said:
I reckon you could secure the theft charge if you really wanted. You know what you're doing if you fill your car up with fuel and then drive away without paying.

Getting a charge is relatively easy, getting the conviction won't be if the defendant uses a dishonesty defence.

PuG106 · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:18

Vonhelmet said:
I reckon you could secure the theft charge if you really wanted. You know what you're doing if you fill your car up with fuel and then drive away without paying.

I think you could to, the prosecution would love it, you quite clearly shouldnt be in control of a car if you forget that not 5 mins ago you filled your car up with petrol..

Prophet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:31

Burnsy2023 said:
Not if he's paying by card and assumes the amount is being charged to his account.

It's already been established in the OP's scenario that it's a conscious decision to leave without paying, whether he's paying cash or card.

Vonhelmet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:33

Orange Peel said:
It's already been established in the OP's scenario that it's a conscious decision to leave without paying, whether he's paying cash or card.

The problem being you'd struggle to prove that in court.

Dano · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:55

Vonhelmet said:
Yep, it's perfectly plausible that youmployer's policies would be more closely aligned with ******** than with the actual law.

Sorry to break it to you in such rough terms.

Break what to me? I've already stated that all I've quoted is the corporate training material and that is all it is, would anybody else like to state the obvious?

Prophet · 13 Jan 2012 at 13:57

Vonhelmet said:
The problem being you'd struggle to prove that in court.

Indeed.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Jan 2012 at 14:13

Vonhelmet said:
The problem being you'd struggle to prove that in court.

Not just any proof as well, proof beyond reasonable doubt.

Pudney · 13 Jan 2012 at 14:14

Dano said:
And nowhere did I say it was, all I did was prove that my comments are correct in the context of the provided training material, understand?

Yes I do understand, however my point is just because your training material says so really means nothing unless there's some evidence behind said material.

Mak3R · 13 Jan 2012 at 14:17

I have worked in a petrol station part time for almost 4 years. This is how it works in my place.

If we see petrol on the console unpaid for and no car at the pump, we check cctv. If they have simply filled up, jumped in and sped off its clear cut. They stole. Call police.

However my supervisor recently told me that if there is a drive off of <£10 we can't report it to the police as they wont care. I have not checked the truth of this with management however.

In the shop we are supposed to ask everyone at the tills if they have petrol. Some people do forget, it can happen. If we dont ask then we get into trouble with senior staff. Although my understanding is if we dont ask and they dont tell us we still have to report it to the police.

Personally I almost never ask, unless a manager is standing beside me, as I dont feel I'm there to support peoples stupidity. If you bought petrol you should know, so tell me.

Dano · 13 Jan 2012 at 14:27

Pudney said:
Yes I do understand, however my point is just because your training material says so really means nothing unless there's some evidence behind said material.

Sigh...

Amleto · 13 Jan 2012 at 15:06

bledd. said:
Is it true that if you forget your wallet, you can get an IOU and pay it within a week?

last time this happened to me (it's happened twice), they wanted payment before 8pm - it was 5pm, and it takes me an hour to get home from there. They said no payment = we call the cops. I said "fine, call them. I'm not coming back today/tonight!"