Electric Cooker Installation

:rolleyes: to some of the people posting in this thread about sparks.

Anyway OP, if the socket behind your cooker is your usual 3 pin affair then it has probably been converted for just a plug for the spark ignitors.
What your new cooker will probably come with is a connection box on the back which you have to supply your own cable and switch the plug outlet to a cooker connection unit (a plate specifically for terminating cooker sized cable) also the chances are if the bottom socket is a 13a the wires from the switch you have pictured have been down sized to 2.5mm. Easy way to check this is undo the cooker switch plate and see if all the are the same size.

If your cooker comes with a normal bit of flex and a normal plug, happy days plug it in a crack on.

If your cooker is over 3Kw then I seriously doubt it will come with a flex, but without knowing the exact spec it's impossible to be sure.

To answer your cost question, worst case I.e couple of meters of 4/6mm and cooker outlet and labour, about £50.
 
Em3bbs said:
Unfortunately the advent of the modern internet has led to many electricians leading people on forums to think their job is rocket science and even the simplest of jobs are now given to them.
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Yeah because being an electrician is just about installing wiring in houses isn't it? No regulations, inspection or testing knowledge needed whatsover.


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For getting a spark in - if done properly would need Paperwork and part p notified cos its an alteration in a special location (kitchen) so than means testing the whole circuit and RCD protection if that circuit isn't already RCD protected, could get more expensive than you would first think.
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This. If you want it to be all legal to satisfy mortage or insurance purposes, you'll need certification of the work carried out.

Personally op, i would just stick to a gas hob and cooker. Much more reliable than electric. It makes no sense in having both.
 
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If it was a simple case of having to disconnect the old cooker and re-connect the new one it's isn't covered under part P at all.

Changing the 13a socket outlet to a cooker outlet then wiring in the new cooker I'm not too sure but I doubt most would provide a minor works cert for such a job imo. The actual wiring hasn't been altered at all. The same goes for if you decide to change a switch or a light fitting. It's a like for like swap and does not need and certification covering it.
 
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If it was a simple case of having to disconnect the old cooker and re-connect the new one it's isn't covered under part P at all.

Changing the 13a socket outlet to a cooker outlet then wiring in the new cooker I'm not too sure but I doubt most would provide a minor works cert for such a job imo. The actual wiring hasn't been altered at all. The same goes for if you decide to change a switch or a light fitting. It's a like for like swap and does not need and certification covering it.
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Lethagized said:
Yeah because being an electrician is just about installing wiring in houses isn't it? No regulations, inspection or testing knowledge needed whatsover.

This. If you want it to be all legal to satisfy mortage or insurance purposes, you'll need certification of the work carried out.

Personally op, i would just stick to a gas hob and cooker. Much more reliable than electric. It makes no sense in having both.
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Like has been mentioned previous. It's classed as a special location under part P (it was BS7671 before, make your mind up even when your talking complete rubbish....but that's even more ridiculous, I am a fully qualified electrician and I haven't even got Part P, Par P is not mandatory 17th edition is the law) , so it will need an electrical installation certificate.
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Where the hell have you pulled that rubbish from... you cant be more wrong.

I am an electrician and you are allowed to simply change you cooker in your own home..... as has been said its nothing more than changing a plug on a plug socket or changing a plug socket/switch.

You silly man, where the hell in 17th edition have you been reading???

Please don't advice people on stuff you know absolutely nothing about, I obviously knew anyway but i've got 17th edition in front of me right now and I'm actually laughing at what you just said.

OP, you are fine and allowed to simply change your cooker, its not against any regulations and if you are competent you don't need a qualified electrician to do it, don't listen to this muppet splurting out complete nonsense.
 
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I edited my op because off the top of my head, i presumed the 17th edition had a kitchen as a special location. I was wrong in that, it's been a few years since i took the exam and one is not expected to know everything without referring to the OSG or Regs book BUT after taking a quick look at a book i'm currently reading about inspection and testing i came across this.

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So in fact, i think you are incorrect in saying anyone can do it. A competent person would be able to undertake the work, but it would still need certification.
 
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You have never taken an exam or you wouldnt post such drivel. You have no idea what you are talking about and just proved it with what you said.
And then proved that even more by changing your post form 17th edition to Part P *FACEPALM* which is covered under 17th edition and not mandatory and is often used by un qualified odd job electricians or DIYers

So please, dont pretend you know anything and dig deeper and go and search for a page on the web because you have no clue what you are talking about.

And I am in stitches right now, the picture above is FALSE, and you would know that if you actually even had the book. Under inspection and testing there is NOTHING to say you must have to get your electrics tester or certified by simply changing a plug socket after the initial installation and testing.

Please, dig deeper.
 
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That is a page from the internet and nothing to do with the book of law.
I am telling you the fake book you are reading in your head is very wrong and you have no clue what you are talking about and have proved it multiple times now.
 
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It's not a page from the internet. It's a snippet i took from a book written by Kristopher Kitcher. Do a search for him on Electricians forum or Talk.electricalforum and see for yourself. He is recommended a lot on those forums.
 
Like I said it is nothing to do with the book of law and is just a page from the internet you have searched on google.
It is just writing out of the Part P regulation which is covered under 17th edition which is the be all and end all law. Anything else Part P says which 17th edition (BS7671) doesn't mean anything to do with the law and what you are and are not allowed to do.
Part P is just a regulation and organisation, anyone can become Part P registered you just have to pay money, it is not the LAW.

What 17th edition says, goes. As said Part P is just a regulation and organisation some people made up and have made allot of money with it and is widely recognised, if you abide by part P (which in most circumstances is just abiding by 17 edition) You can have an extra badge on your work and van and also added benefits of saving money in the long run, but doesn't mean anything to do with actual law. As long as you abide by BS7671 then you are fine and that is the law.

Go and do some research before digging even deeper *facepalm*
 
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PancakeSniffer said:
OP, you are fine and allowed to simply change your cooker, its not against any regulations and if you are competent you don't need a qualified electrician to do it, don't listen to this muppet splurting out complete nonsense.
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This is Wrong. Can the op issue his own minor works certificate? No he cannot. So why are you saying he can do it himself? He still needs the Minor works electrical installation certificate to conform to building regulations if he wants to fully satisfy the insurance/mortage providers etc. Reality is, most people just go ahead and do stuff without notifying or certifying anyway.

Basically what you're saying is people should just forget part p and refer to the regs totally dismissing the regulations part p set out?. What a load of tripe. All regulations should be complied with and the regulation part p states is that the work doesn't need to be notified but must be certified with the use of a minor electrical installation works certificate. What part of this don't you understand?

Where exactly in the regs book does it say "anybody can replace a socket in a kitchen?" Give me the regulation number so i can take a look for myself. You said you had it in front of you so tell me what the number is or what page you're looking at.
 
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Stop talking absolute bs pal.

I have told the op what he is allowed to do by law and thats the way it is.....

Part P is exactly what I have explained in the post above, 17th edition is the law, Part P is just a regulation of which 95% of is covered under 17th edition (the law)( the rest is covered under Part P for electrical safety and is nothing to do with the law but what you have to abide by if you want to be Part P registered/signed.


The whole way the regs book works is that it tells you want you cant or need to do in a certain way and all the regulations, it doesn't simply say "You cant do this"
I have no argument here you have shown you not not have the slightest clue .

Changing a plug socket/fitting in the kitchen is no where under 17th edition and is perfectly allowed for anyone competent to do it and doesn't need certification, and is standard jim to know this if you have the slightest clue about electrics, which you quite clearly dont. end of.

I know you are trying to justify you outrageous statement and take a long time to try and do it by searching aimlessly around the web then come back with more nonsense but its not happening pal, you were wrong and the law and regs are right, there is nothing you can do about it and there is no argument in the matter, facts are facts.

Here are some facts to your statments;

Lethagized said:
He still needs the Minor works electrical installation certificate to conform to building regulations if he wants to fully satisfy the insurance/mortage providers etc.
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No he doesn't

Lethagized said:
Basically what you're saying is people should just forget part p and refer to the regs totally dismissing the regulations part p set out?. What a load of tripe. All regulations should be complied with and the regulation part p states is that the work doesn't need to be notified but must be certified with the use of a minor electrical installation works certificate. What part of this don't you understand?
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Don't have a clue what you are talking about, as I said Part P is a separate regulation and isn't required by law, 17th edition British standards is the law, you cant have Part P and be a fully qualitifed electrician, you can have 17th edition and be a fully qualified electrician.

You dont need part P to do anything, it isnt law, it is a regulation you can pay for if you want more credentials to your work and of which 95% of is covered under the LAW BS7671

What 17th edition says, goes. Anything else Part P says that 17th edition doesnt isnt required by law or you do not have to abide by unless you are Part P registered and want your work to be Part P signed (although most 95% of the time you are alwready under part P regulation because it is all under the LAW 17 edition anyway


Lethagized said:
Where exactly in the regs book does it say "anybody can replace a socket in a kitchen?" Give me the regulation number so i can take a look for myself. You said you had it in front of you so tell me what the number is or what page you're looking at.
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This comment is stupid like much of your drivel, you clearly dont even know how the regs book works
 
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Don't listen to this fool op. He hasn't provided any proof at all to back up his statement. He expects everyone to take his word as gospel. The images i provided are 100% genuine taken from a pdf file of THIS book. You can even take a look inside that book on amazon if one wishes. Section 4. Why on earth would i provide a fake image for gods sake? What an utter fool you are. Why pancakesniffer is saying it's false is beyond me. It's just more bs coming out his gob so do not listen to him. I will also provide another link backing up my claims.HERE

Now are you going to say that website is fake as well as my book on inspection and testing which is written by a well respected author?

Now lets see pancakesniffer sniff his own bs and go away.
 
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Op if you don't know what your doing then get a electrician in...


To wire in a cooker you really need to know what your doing....
 
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Lethagized said:
Don't listen to this fool op. He hasn't provided any proof at all to back up his statement. He expects everyone to take his word as gospel. The images i provided are 100% genuine taken from a pdf file of THIS book. Why on earth would i provide a fake image for gods sake?
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Yes and that book is not the law and has Part P regulations in it!! You dummy as described Part P is not required by law and is just a regulation, 17 edition is the law and if you abdie by that then you are allowed to do it.

Nowhere in 17th edition does it say that you aren't allowed to change a plug socket/fitting in the kitchen.
As said it is standard Jim to anyone who actually knows what the law is for this.
You just made a statement that was very wrong and are trying to justify it when you cant because facts are facts/law is law and I have told the op that he is allowed to do it and he is..........

I am an electrician for 6 years don't be so stupid to question facts any longer I have the book of law in front of me (even though I don't need it) And you are scouring the internet looking at any old bs thinking its law when it is not.

What BS 7671 says goes, and under BS7671 you are allowed to change a plug socket/fitting in your kitchen.. end of.

If the regs book doesn't mention anything under a regulation, it is allowed and not regulated, like you are allowed to plug a plug socket in to your plug, or a muli plug. Thius is how books of law work.

The 17th edition reads out all the regulations required by law, and it is not under law that you cant, or need permission/certification to change a plug socket/fitting in the kitchen.

No argument, fact is fact. You arent an electrician and you have no idea and arent even looking at the only book which matters which is 17th edition, any other regs such as Part P isnt required by law and is a separate regulation.

I have told the OP the fact, that if he is competent he is perfectly allowed to change his cooker over without the need for permission or for it to be certificated, just like he is allowed to change his light switch, it is just the fact and you cant argue against that.

If the OP has no idea about electrics then get an electrician to do it, it will probably cost about £40 for a 5 minute job but that's the way it goes.
I'm just explaining you are perfectly allowed to do it by law. And as long as you are familiar with electrics it is as simple as changing a light switch or plug socket, just bigger wires.
 
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